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Frances STEVENS - birth baptism mystery
« on: Tuesday 13 September 16 07:48 BST (UK) »
Hello,    :)

If anyone could find the birth of Frances/Fanny Stevens, I would be ever so very grateful please.

According to her death date in 1857 she was 79 when she died in Herts.  She married Isaac Green in Essendon Hertfordshire in 1803 by licence, and on the certificate it says Frances Green of the parish of Richmond, Surrey.   

Her children were  -  Frances, Martha, Richard and twins  John and Thomas.   Her FiL was James and MiL Jane.
 -  I made a rash assumption that maybe her father was Richard - but maybe not.

I can't find anything that fits really either in Herts or Surrey.   

I have looked on FindMyPast, Ancestry and IGI Family search - so far without luck.  I have been to the GRO site but get the impression that because the birth occurred before 1837, the record won't be there - Is that correct?

I've put a link to this thread on the Surrey board as well - just in case!  ;)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=755740.new#new

Wiggy    :)
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Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
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Re: Frances STEVENS - birth baptism mystery
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 09:02 BST (UK) »
I have been to the GRO site but get the impression that because the birth occurred before 1837, the record won't be there - Is that correct?

I presume you are referring to FreeBMD?
That site has nothing to do with the GRO, but is a transcription of the GRO indexes by volunteers.

Civil Registration (and hence Birth, Marriage and Death Certificates) started on 1st July 1837.

Before that date you have to rely on Parish Registers - but that depends on knowing the parish!

According to her death date in 1857 she was 79 when she died in Herts.  She married Isaac Green in Essendon Hertfordshire in 1803 by licence, and on the certificate it says Frances Green of the parish of Richmond, Surrey.   

"Of the parish of . . ." simply refers to where she was living at the time of the marriage.

What does it say her place of birth was on the 1851 census?
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Re: Frances STEVENS - birth baptism mystery
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 09:13 BST (UK) »
Could this be her in 1851?

Class: Ho107; Piece: 1712; Folio: 15; Page: 25
Essendon, Hertfordshire

Green, Frances  Head  Widow  F  74  Annuitant  b Hertford, Hertfordshire
Check, Jane  Servant  F  22  b Lemsford Mills, Hatfield
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Frances STEVENS - birth baptism mystery
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 10:02 BST (UK) »
Yep , she's the one.      :)

You are right,  I did mean freeBMD.     :)

Thanks KG.     

  She's hiding!     Most of the family activity has taken place around Hitching, Stevenage, Letchworth and primarily Essendon.   All on the Green side though.

  I can't see Stevens at all.
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
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Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Frances STEVENS - birth baptism mystery
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 10:23 BST (UK) »
1841 confirms she was born in county (Herts) and age (taking rounding into account)

Piece 444 Book 13 Folio 6 Page 5

Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Frances STEVENS - birth baptism mystery
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 10:31 BST (UK) »
Yes, Millmoor found her death notice in a paper and so her age was fixed by that.  She died in Essendon.      :).   Yes I have the 1841census . . . .    :)

KG. I have checked Jane Cheek, the servant in 1851 census.

 The only Jane Cheek, showing, was baptised in Ayot St Peters . . .which, when I look, seems to be in the middle of the above mentioned places, and near Hatfield.  Parents Benjamin and Hannah . . . .   not sure where this is taking me though.    :-\

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Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Frances STEVENS - birth baptism mystery
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 10:43 BST (UK) »
Yes, Millmoor found her death notice in a paper and so her age was fixed by that.  She died in Essendon.      :).   Yes I have the 1841census . . . .    :)

KG. I have checked Jane Cheek, the servant in 1851 census.

 The only Jane Cheek, showing, was baptised in Ayot St Peters . . .which, when I look, seems to be in the middle of the above mentioned places, and near Hatfield.  Parents Benjamin and Hannah . . . .   not sure where this is taking me though.    :-\

Wiggy.

I didn't expect it to take you anywhere! ;D
I just included anyone who was in the household in 1851.
A servant shows potential (financial) status - she was essentially an employee of Frances.
And no family living with her (on the night of the census, anyway).
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Re: Frances STEVENS - birth baptism mystery
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 11:10 BST (UK) »
Yes,    I think they did alright this family!  Even the fact that she lives as an annuitant suggests money doesn't it?

 Her daughter Frances was in Australia with her LARGE family.  I haven't traced the sidelines, so don't know yet what the others were doing.

I don't know anything about Frances Stevens before her marriage -  not parents or siblings.

Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Frances STEVENS - birth baptism mystery
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 13 September 16 11:21 BST (UK) »
Of course I know what happened to one other of Frances Green,s/ Steven's son Richard!!!     :)

He also came to Australia and did very well for himself with his Sister and BiL in Tasmania - he was a big mover in the town of Launceston!


Still it doesn't get me closer to his mother's birth!     ;D
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

 Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.