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Re: National Archives
« Reply #9 on: Friday 16 September 16 19:08 BST (UK) »
How about this ??
The Clarrissa A brigg
The vessel is Lloyd's Register ('LR') listed from 1867/68 thru 1871/72. Was initially owned by J. Patterson of Arbroath for service from Sunderland to Cape of Good Hope ('CGH'), soon to CGH ex Swansea. In 1870/71, Cargill & Co., also of Arbroath, is LR listed as her owner for service from Dundee to the West Indies. The Mercantile Navy List of 1870, however, lists David Chapel of Arbroath as the then owner of the 245 ton vessel. 106.7 ft. long, signal letters HVTB. LR of 1871/72 states 'wrecked'. On Aug. 28, 1871, per line 1491 here, the 252 ton brig  was stranded at Marstrand (W. coast of Sweden, N. of Gothenburg), while en route from Cronstadt (St. Petersburg, Russia) to London with a cargo of oats. Crew of 10 - 8 lost. Also a single passenger that was lost. Then owned by David Chapel.
The end of her story? Actually no. Clarissa, described as wrecked in 1871, must have been repaired & returned to service. The vessel, now 105.7 ft. long, is again recorded in Lloyd's Registers from 1876/77 thru 1889/90, owned thru 1886/87 by the Burt family of Shoreham, Sussex - initially G. Burt & from 1883/84 Mrs S. Burt. G. Burt is LR listed as her captain during that entire period & even beyond in fact. The Mercantile Navy List of 1880 lists George Burt of Southwick, Sussex, as her then owner. In 1886/87, A. Buckwell, also of Shoreham, became her owner, with, per LR, G. Burt still her captain. LR of 1889/90 states 'stranded'. It would seem that the vessel was stranded on Feb. 11, 1889.
http://46.32.255.219/pdf/1871/September-13/September-13-1871-02.pdf
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Paternal Line--An(t)(c)liff(e).Faulkner. Mayfield. Cant. Davison. Caunt. Trigg. Rawding. Buttery. Rayworth. Pepper. Otter. Whitworth. Gray. Calder. Laing.Wink. Wright. Jackson. Taylor.
Maternal Line--Linsey. Spicer. Corns. Judson. Greensmith. Steel. Woodford. Ellis. Wyan. Callis. Warriner. Rawlin. Merrin. Vale. Summerfield. Cartwright.
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Re: National Archives
« Reply #10 on: Friday 16 September 16 20:28 BST (UK) »
I think on FindMyPast that there's a death for an unknown  Copeland at sea WCAF which I assume  is the West Coast of Africa in Oct 71 with at least a couple of  others  on the same day

Middlesex: KING,  MUMFORD, COOK, ROUSE, GOODALL, BROWN
Oxford: MATTHEWS, MOSS
Kent: SPOONER, THOMAS, KILLICK, COLLINS
Cambs: PRIGG, LEACH
Hants: FOSTER
Montgomery: BREES
Surrey: REEVE

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Re: National Archives
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 18 September 16 16:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Stevie

That does sound interesting, as on the poor law record for his son does state that it was October he drowned....

Hopefully if someone can have a wee look the next time they are in the Nationla Archives, this might shed some light on Edwards career in the Merchant Navy

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REID
BROWN
KERR
COPELAND

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KERR - ANDERSTON(GLASGOW) & ARGYLL
REID/BROWN - GOVAN
COPELAND - GLASGOW

IRELAND
LEITCH
DUFFY

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Re: National Archives
« Reply #12 on: Friday 23 September 16 13:56 BST (UK) »
There was no official registration of merchant seaman between 1857 and 1913. The Merchant Navy began to register its seamen again in 1913, in the central indexed register, or Fourth Register of Seamen. However, the entries for 1913 to 1917 have not survived. Therefore neither TNA or any other institution have these types of records. Simply they do not exist, apart from some officers records but that's another story.
The only way of finding individual Merchant Seamen's records in this period is via Crew Agreements.
This can be a long, time consuming, frustrating and sometimes expensive exercise.
If we follow on from the references to the deaths of  individual seamen contributed by Stevie Steve. There was a Mate with the surname Copeland lost by drowning on 26/10/1871  from the Steamer BIAFRA, official number 60847, which was owned by the African Steamship Co Ltd.
If this is your man. His death will be recorded in one the Logbooks and personal details of him, place of Birth, NOK, previous ship etc. in the vessels Crew Agreements for the relative date in 1871.
These are available at a fee,from MHA in Newfoundland.
https://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/viewcombinedcrews.php?Official_No=60847

You can then hopefully backtrack via the previous ships crew agreements till you have a total record of his sea service. Almost without exception British and Empire ships Crew Agreements are stored via the vessels official number.
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