David Howells born c.1824

[Catling121]

Hi All,

Just a quick request if anyone is able to find a baptism for a David Howells/Howell son of Daniel in Kidwelly, Carmarthenshire, or Cwmavon, Glamorgan.

He lists Kidwelly as his place of birth consistently, and lists his father as Daniel, a collier on his marriage certificate. I have found him in the 1851, 1861, 1871 and 1881 censuses living first in Michaelston-super-Avon, and then in Swansea. In the 1881 census he lists Cwmavon as his place of birth.

I can find a likely candidate for Daniel in the 1851 and 1841 census, but it would be better to find a baptism if possible.

Many thanks for any help.

Chris

[keyboard86]

Hi at present cannot locate a baptism, but could this be father and son in 1841 Census :-

Daniel 35 Not born in county
David 15 Not born in county
Residing with Isiah & Margaret Thomas also Not born in county at Furnace Row, Michaelstone Super Avon
Census ref HO107/1421/ 20/30 / 2
Keyboard86

[Catling121]

Thank you! I will investigate further!

[keyboard86]

Hi again, I do not know where you have Daniel in 1851 but Daniel 49 occ Collier b Pembrey with:-

Cathrin 57
Richard 20 Married
Hannah 18
Thomas 16
Lewis 13
Cathrin 2 b Michaelstone
All other than Daniel born Kidwelly
Residing at Michaelstone Super Avon
Census ref HO107/2462/397/53
David b 1824 Kidwelly with wife Catherine and child Jane on HO107/2462/398/54

In 1841 Cathering HOWEL and rest of family are at Parkyllong, Kidwelly
Census ref HO107/1385/ 4/50 / 6


Ages of children in 1841 a bit off from 1851 census, but this is the family of David b 1824 Kidwelly I believe.

Keyboard 86

[osprey]

if that's the right family, FreeReg has a transcription of the marriage 31 March 1823 in Kidwelly of Daniel Howell & Catherine Thomas. No sign of any baptisms for the family, so may be non-conformist.

[keyboard86]

Hi again, is this David in 1891 census :-

David Howells 68 b Glamorgan
Sarah 66?
David 26 occ Tailor ( Same occ as 1881)
Sarah 11 Grandaughter ( Possibly daughter of Lewis b 1854 & Ann in 1881)
Residing at Siloh Road, Clase, Swansea
Census ref RG12/4474/96/38

When you say "he gives Daniel as his father on his marriage certificate" which apparent marriage, the one to Catherine in the 1851 census above or the 1861:-

David Howell 36 b Kidwelly
Sarah 32 b Llansawel
Lewis 7 b Cwmavon
Rebecca 5 b Margam
David possibly Daniel later 1 b St John
Thomas Bowen 7 Stepson b Llansadwrn
Census ref RG09/4099/35/10
Keyboard86

EDIT possible death David Howells March qtr 1898 Swansea 11a 598 aged 74