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« Reply #27 on: Monday 03 October 16 19:41 BST (UK) »
I've looked through a variety of old newspapers and can't see a report of  a prison sentence. I may have missed something but I thought it was an insolvency case  :-\

I found them in Manchester in 1851 but I think you have that.

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« Reply #28 on: Monday 03 October 16 20:15 BST (UK) »
Davies-Rhydlewis to Ebbw Vale
Wharton and Ford-Barnard Castle to London
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« Reply #29 on: Monday 03 October 16 20:19 BST (UK) »
Actually, having looked again, I think it simply related to the Court Case! I saw "in Gaol of Ruthin" and assumed he'd been imprisoned!
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« Reply #30 on: Monday 03 October 16 20:24 BST (UK) »
If you read Wilcoxin's first link, it implies that the various insovencies cases were held in prison before the case.

I'm not sure what would happen afterwards. All the newspaper reports just mention more or less what was reported in the London Gazette that Wilcoxon quotes.
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« Reply #31 on: Monday 03 October 16 20:26 BST (UK) »

THE COURT. FOR RELIEF Of INSOLVENT DEBTORS.
Wednesday the I9th day of October 1842
Jonah Roberts, late of Tany-bwlch, near Llangollen, Denbighshire,
out of business, formerly Slate Merchant.—
In the Gaol of Ruthin.

Perhaps the court case was held at Ruthin,  but in any case there are very few  records of prisoners

http://archives.denbighshire.gov.uk/subjects/crime-and-punishment/

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« Reply #32 on: Monday 03 October 16 20:56 BST (UK) »
The newspaper reports that I've read (including Wrexham Advertizer) suggest that the case was held at Ruthin and they were held in Ruthin Gaol beforehand. Also, see your first link to the London Gazette, Wilcoxon  - heading, top left and imediately before the report listing.
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« Reply #33 on: Monday 03 October 16 21:15 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately the Llangollen Advertiser on Welsh Newspapers doesn`t start till 1860, so he was long gone from the area by then.
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« Reply #34 on: Monday 03 October 16 21:16 BST (UK) »
Well, I saw something in the Advertiser about a Jonah Roberts  in 1850s.

Added - a couple that I looked at ~

Bell's New Weekly Messenger  1843

Wrexham Advertiser October  1857*

* it started in 1854
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« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 04 October 16 20:01 BST (UK) »
Well, I saw something in the Advertiser about a Jonah Roberts  in 1850s.

Added - a couple that I looked at ~

Bell's New Weekly Messenger  1843

Wrexham Advertiser October  1857*

* it started in 1854

I meant the Llangollen Advertiser, the first reports are on 24th April 1868.

Do you think this is the same or another Jonah Roberts ?
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4586868/4586872/20/
23rd May 1857 Wrexham Advertiser
ROBERTS V. WRIGHT.-This was an action to recover some furniture which the defendant delivered. Mr. Rymer appeared for the plaintiff, whom he examined through an interpreter. He  said he was a collier at Cefn  Mawr, that there were certain articles of furniture which had belonged to his sister some 5 years ago or more, in a house in Cefn Mawr, when he left it.

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4586958/4586962/29/
26th September 1857 Wrexham Advertiser.
MESHECH WRIGHT V. JONAH ROBERTS
This being the day appointed for the hearing of the arguments on the points of law raised before the Arbitrator,

Bell's New Weekly Messenger  1843.
I don`t seems to be able to find that one.
 
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