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Re: Elizabeth Mabley/Mably date of death query
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 09 February 17 23:08 GMT (UK) »
Thanks again Osprey.  It's such a gift to have free access to the ones that are available.
Woodmancote:  Hobbs; Davison
Bisley:  Fisher
Eastcombe:  Winstone
Chalford:  Lambert
Newent:  Bowkett
Llangurig: Owen; Jones
Llangurig & Bedlinog: Rees
Llanonn: Williams
Charfield:  Fowler; Selman
Olveston:  Fisher
Batheaston: Fisher
Andover, Hurstbourne, Woodcutt, Shinfield: Farmer & Tanner
Alresford: Sprangle; Hack
Martletwy & Llangwig:  Davies

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Re: Elizabeth Mabley/Mably date of death query
« Reply #10 on: Friday 10 February 17 09:20 GMT (UK) »
indeed it is. Feels like sitting in the record office in the comfort of your own home!

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Elizabeth Maibrey (?Mabley) d. 20.01.1861 Sunwell, Antony
« Reply #11 on: Monday 26 March 18 22:43 BST (UK) »
As you can see from my previous posts below, I have been trying to find the death of Elizabeth Mabley/Mably but just can't find one. 

She was born 1828 (according to her marriage certificate).  And I think I have her date of birth 04.08.1828, christened at the Bible Christian Church, St Neot.

Her surname before her marriage in 1858 to Thomas Mabley was Davey.  Her father John Davey's occupation was a hind.  I think I have located him on the 1851 census at St John's, Cornwall.

In 1859 she gave birth to William Henry Mably (also known as Harry) who I think was their only child.  His birth certificate gives his place of birth as Farmhouse Synwell Antony

In 1861 census I think I have Thomas Mably as a widower in his employer's household at Trevanson with no other of his family members.  William Henry Mabley aged 2 is with his grandparents. 

I think too that I have Thomas's death in St Columb in 1868.

Over a year ago I got a lot of help from Rootswebbers when trying to find her death.  I was pointed to Elizabeth Maibrey's burial on 23.01.1861 and monumental inscription as a possibility.  The dates of birth and death fits.  The parish records state that she was at Sunwell, Antony when she died.  So a connection there.  But my concern is that the monumental inscription is "Maibrey" and not Mabley or Mably.  I can accept that the parish clerk may have misspelt her name but I'm not so sure about the headstone being wrong.

So in order to make some progress I would be very pleased to hear from anyone who

(1)  knows of the surname Maibrey in Cornwall or Devon.  It does not seem to be a common name in the UK at all.  So could it be that the monumental mason misspelt it, copying it from the Parish Register where it was initially recorded incorrectly.
(2)  knows of Sunwell (Synwell) Antony.  I am wondering whether Sunwell/Synwell referred to a particular estate, and just approx how many people might have lived there in the mid 1800s. 
(3)  has access to the monumental inscriptions for Cornwall.  Is Elizabeth Maibrey's burial at the parish church?
(4)  knows about the Bible Christian church in St Neot.  I have no idea whether Elizabeth Mably continued to follow the faith into which she was christened but if she did, where would she be likely to be buried?

Many thanks for reading my very long email!


Woodmancote:  Hobbs; Davison
Bisley:  Fisher
Eastcombe:  Winstone
Chalford:  Lambert
Newent:  Bowkett
Llangurig: Owen; Jones
Llangurig & Bedlinog: Rees
Llanonn: Williams
Charfield:  Fowler; Selman
Olveston:  Fisher
Batheaston: Fisher
Andover, Hurstbourne, Woodcutt, Shinfield: Farmer & Tanner
Alresford: Sprangle; Hack
Martletwy & Llangwig:  Davies

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Re: Elizabeth Mabley/Mably date of death query
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 15:09 BST (UK) »
as the burial was recorded in the parish registers, she was buried in the churchyard. You could contact the church warden to see if there is a stone.

http://stjohnincornwall.org.uk/st-john-church/

1861 census Sunwell, Antony RG9/1523 folio 126 pg 30
John Davey head mar 54 ag lab b. St Cleer
Christianna wife 50 b. St Ive
George son 13 ag lab b. St Neot

From checking on the Cornwall record office site, Sunwell was part of the manor of Antony.
http://crocat.cornwall.gov.uk/DServe/searchpage.htm
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Elizabeth Mabley/Mably date of death query
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 16:21 BST (UK) »
Thank you Osprey.

I did not see that 1861 census entry.  Probably because I was looking for John Davey still married to Ann (Bunkum).  Thanks to your help I have found a marriage in December 1860 in St Germans of John Davey and Christiana Ingram which I am thinking might be him/them.  There is a death in 1855 St Germans for an Ann Davey.  Maybe that was her.

I have also contacted St John's as you suggested to see if there is any info about Elizabeth M's headstone.

Sunwell Farmhouse sounds a bit grand for an ag lab to be living in.... as head of the household, don't you think? Sorry to be a bit slow, but do you think that Sunwell farmhouse was part of the Antony estate now owned by the National Trust?

Many many thanks for your help. 

Woodmancote:  Hobbs; Davison
Bisley:  Fisher
Eastcombe:  Winstone
Chalford:  Lambert
Newent:  Bowkett
Llangurig: Owen; Jones
Llangurig & Bedlinog: Rees
Llanonn: Williams
Charfield:  Fowler; Selman
Olveston:  Fisher
Batheaston: Fisher
Andover, Hurstbourne, Woodcutt, Shinfield: Farmer & Tanner
Alresford: Sprangle; Hack
Martletwy & Llangwig:  Davies

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Re: Elizabeth Mabley/Mably date of death query
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 17:01 BST (UK) »
it seems to be part of Antony manor from an early period, but there is a reference to a separate lease for Sunwell in the 1930s.
Found a notice for Sunwell from 1842 when it was to be let "consisting of a good Farmhouse, Barn, other suitable Farm Offices, and about 64 acres of orchard, Arable and Meadow Land. Three fields called Broadlands, are situate in the Parish of St. John, and the remainder of the Premises in the Parish of St Antony...The Term will be Ten Years from Ladyday next..."
Notice was from Aug 1842, so term would have started therefore 25 March 1843. At the time of the notice the land was in the occupation of Mr. John Bennett. I've just checked the 1841 census for him and haven't found him as yet, so perhaps the person leasing the farm didn't live in the farmhouse. 
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Elizabeth Mabley/Mably date of death query
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 17:13 BST (UK) »
ok, found him in 1841 ref HO107/135/2 folio 25 pg 11 at what looks like Kingdon Sanwell between Higher and Lower Tregantle.

1851 it appears to be Kingdon with Robert Blackmore, ag lab, & family living there.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Elizabeth Mabley/Mably date of death query
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 17:53 BST (UK) »
on second thoughts, I think in 1841 Kingdon may be unoccupied & the 2 farm names appear on the same line. So possibly no-one there in 1851 and then in 1871Rg10/2229 folio 80 pg 12 there is John Gilbert farmer of 95 acres. As there is no mention of acres after John Davey's name in 1861, he is not the one leasing the land.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Elizabeth Mabley/Mably date of death query
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 27 March 18 21:05 BST (UK) »
Thanks Osprey.

I think I have the correct John and Ann Davey in 1841 in Liskeard.  With 7 children, the last aged 0 has no name.  Elizabeth Davey is aged 10 included.  I wish they had occupations on the forms then so I could be sure!

Woodmancote:  Hobbs; Davison
Bisley:  Fisher
Eastcombe:  Winstone
Chalford:  Lambert
Newent:  Bowkett
Llangurig: Owen; Jones
Llangurig & Bedlinog: Rees
Llanonn: Williams
Charfield:  Fowler; Selman
Olveston:  Fisher
Batheaston: Fisher
Andover, Hurstbourne, Woodcutt, Shinfield: Farmer & Tanner
Alresford: Sprangle; Hack
Martletwy & Llangwig:  Davies