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Re: Coat of arms / family crest
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 29 October 16 15:43 BST (UK) »
my apologies on that one missed that reply thank you for all your help on this subject its making a lot more sense then when I started out.

I did want to ask and I'm sorry if you have already mentioned this but would the image of been in colour at some point or just black and white similar to the drawing.


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Re: Coat of arms / family crest
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 29 October 16 15:49 BST (UK) »
Again, re-read my posts! ;D

Engravers and printers, working in monochrome (1 colour) used a thing called hatching to represent colours.

I have mentioned some colours before.

see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatching_(heraldry)
But note that different systems were used at different times?!
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Re: Coat of arms / family crest
« Reply #20 on: Monday 31 October 16 10:02 GMT (UK) »
I think you can rule out the lion being from the Scottish royal arms, no tressure.  Lots of peeps used a lion!

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Re: Coat of arms / family crest
« Reply #21 on: Monday 31 October 16 11:33 GMT (UK) »
I think you can rule out the lion being from the Scottish royal arms, no tressure.  Lots of peeps used a lion!

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I didn't mention the Royal Arms of Scotland! ;D
When the red lion rampant is within a double-tressure then it's the Royal Arms.
But without the double-tressure?
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Re: Coat of arms / family crest
« Reply #22 on: Monday 31 October 16 12:10 GMT (UK) »
Without the tressure (a gift from France I believe) it just aint kosher!

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Re: Coat of arms / family crest
« Reply #23 on: Monday 31 October 16 12:17 GMT (UK) »
Because of the Scottish Laws on Heraldry, I was thinking that:

1) the arms with the double-tressure, being the Royal Arms, couldn't be used elsewhere.
2) and that, maybe, the arms without the double-tressure would be OK to use?
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Re: Coat of arms / family crest
« Reply #24 on: Monday 31 October 16 14:22 GMT (UK) »
Dinnae ken!  ;D

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Re: Coat of arms / family crest
« Reply #25 on: Monday 31 October 16 14:39 GMT (UK) »
The Royal Arms of Scotland do not include ANY flag or arms that is gold, with a red lion rampant.
Only when it has the double-tressure.

Therefore the part of the original arms in this thread, that has a gold background with a red lion rampant is NOT the Royal Arms, but may allude to Scotland.
It could also be the arms of Bleddyn ap Cynfyn, Brennin Gwynedd  a Powys who was King of Gwynydd and Powys 1063-1075, or MacDuff.
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Re: Coat of arms / family crest
« Reply #26 on: Monday 31 October 16 21:23 GMT (UK) »
The arms tricked as Or, a lion rampant gules are attributed to many men.  Have a look here:

https://archive.org/stream/alphabeticaldicta01papw#page/82/mode/2up

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