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Re: Coat of arms / family crest
« Reply #9 on: Monday 03 October 16 14:29 BST (UK) »
thank you for the help so far I am finding out a lot of facts, however I am new to all of this and was wondering if someone could also give me an explanation to what the picture actually is, Is it a coat of arms/ family crest? Is it for one family or a merge of several? What does it represent?

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Re: Coat of arms / family crest
« Reply #10 on: Monday 03 October 16 15:19 BST (UK) »
My guess would be:

Sometimes, when a man marries a woman who in her own right bears arms, the 2 coats-of-arms are played side-by-side - it's called impalement, a form of marshalling.
See: http://karlwilcox.com/parker/?page_id=2117
and: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartering_(heraldry)

Sometimes, a man impales his arms of office (e.g. a bishop, dean of a college, etc) with his own arms.

Turner Calvert was around in the mid 16th Century, when the rules of Heraldry weren't so stringent?!

Certainly the Calvert arms are in positions 1 and 8 - the places of honour.

Probably, if you work out Turner's lineage, it might become clearer?
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Re: Coat of arms / family crest
« Reply #11 on: Monday 03 October 16 15:56 BST (UK) »
Very useful links KGarrad, thanks. How would the 3 boars heads be described? It looks like they are 'couped' but how do you describe the horizontal bar?

In the Ipswich Journal 18 April 1767, Turner Calvert mentions the 'Crest of my Arms'.
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Coat of arms / family crest
« Reply #12 on: Monday 03 October 16 17:09 BST (UK) »
The horizontal bar is a fess.

|The three heads are indeed couped, but I don't think they are boars heads? No tusks!
In heraldry, boars are almost always tusked.

The arms with the 3 stars, is a fess dancetty, between 3 mullets.
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Re: Coat of arms / family crest
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 04 October 16 15:56 BST (UK) »
Looks like the story of the three bears!  ;D

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Re: Coat of arms / family crest
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 04 October 16 20:35 BST (UK) »
I think the couped heads are of greyhounds.

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Re: Coat of arms / family crest
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 04 October 16 21:39 BST (UK) »
They could be greyhounds - but I still can't find the arms!
The engraver has used hatching to denote the tinctures (or colours).

So, the 4th arms will be azure, a fess or between 3 <??> couped.
(Blue shield, gold bar across the middle)


The 3rd arms are those of Scotland (or, a lion rampant gules). (Gold with a red lion rampant).

And the 7th arms will be sable, a fess dancetty argent, between three mullets of the same.
(Black shield, an indented bar, between 3 5-ponted stars all in white/silver)
And I can't find that coat-of-arms, either! ::)

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Re: Coat of arms / family crest
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 29 October 16 15:16 BST (UK) »
is there a possibility that the coat of arms is a combination of several different ones I cant seem to find any looking the same as the picture I have acquired.
It has been passed down through generation with no real explanation except it was also attached to a picture of a house with no location.
What explanations could there be to the different sections.

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Re: Coat of arms / family crest
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 29 October 16 15:37 BST (UK) »
I thought I had explained that in reply #11? ::)
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