William Edward HOARE and Martha FARRAR

[fyremoon]

I'm looking for further information about both of these ancestors: birthdates, places, parents, siblings; when and how they travelled to Australia, when/where their first child was born (and anything else of interest!)

The information I have so far:

William b. ABT 1859
in 1881 he was a printer compositor boarding in Luton with an Emma Lacey
in 1910 (from his daughter's marriage cert.) he was a printer
d. 1939 Chatswood, Sydney, Australia

Martha (aka Maimie) b. ABT 1861
d. 1947 Ryde, Sydney, Australia

I don't know where she was in 1881 census, or before.

They married in Luton in 1882

They travelled to Australia before 1885. They apparently had an infant son who died on the journey (according to a now-deceased granddaughter).

They had another son, Conrad, b. 1885? d. 1886, a dau. Greta (my great grandmother) b. 1889 Woolhara, and a son Reginald, b. 1892, d. 1921 in WW1.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

DO you have their marriage certificate - if so who was Martha's father, what were their occupations. Who were the witnesses. All might help track her down

In the mean time there's a bit of a possible on 1881, transcribed on Ancestry as Martha Foran, b Harefield Middlesex c1862. Boarding at 106 Chapel St with the Wallers and working as a straw hat machinist. Writing is a bit difficult so could be Farrer or a variation of

RG11, 1652, 62, 21

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Possible baptism of the above Martha?

Martha Farrar
Born 26 Dec 1861
Baptism     23 Feb 1862, Harefield St Mary the Virgin
Father   Frederick Farrar, gardener
Mother    Edith Farrar

However, you'd need the marriage cert to compare fathers' names to confirm this is a strong possibility

[fyremoon]

Thank you Mabel,

No I don't yet have the marriage certificate; those details would be helpful.
Hmm, thanks for the possible lead on Martha. I can't confirm anything until I'm able to purchase the certificate I suppose...

[trish1120]

WILLIAM EDWARD Hoar Christened 26 Dec 1858, Caddington, Bedfordshire
Parents ISAAC/CAROLINE
Sibling;
ARTHUR Hoar, 22 Dec 1861
(Source Familysearch.Org)

1871 we have;
Isaac Hoar, 40, General Dealer
Caroline Hoar, 37
EDWARD Hoar, 12
Arthur Hoar, 9

1861;
Isaac Hoar, 31
Caroline Hoar, 29
William Edward Hoar, 2

Isaac HOAR age 25 Married Caroline HOLLAND age 23, 20 September 1855, Caddington, Bedford, (F/S.Org)

1851 Isaac is the Grandson of Martha Hoar;
Martha Doar, 79, Widow, Annuitant
Isaac Doar, 20, Grandson, Dealer

ISAAC Hoar Christened 3 Oct 1830, Caddington, Mother ANN Hoar
(F/S.Org)

1841 Census
Isaac HOAR age 10 in the Hosuehold of;
Thomas Welsh, Ann Welsh, Sarah Welsh, Ellen Welsh

Anc has him as Isaac SHAW!

ANN Hoar Married Thomas WELCH, 24 May 1838, Caddington, Bedford.
(F/S.Org)

Trish

[trish1120]

1851 Census
Thomas Wilch, 40
ANN Wilch, 30, Wife, born Woodside****
Sarah Wilch, 12
Ellen Wilch, 10
John Wilch, 8
Joseph Wilch, 6
Thomas Wilch, 4
Martha Wilch, 2

ANN Hoar Christened 11 Oct 1812 Caddington, to JOSEPH/MARTHA

1841 Census
Joseph Hoar, 75, Gardener, not born in County (S, for Scotland?)
Martha Hoar, 65
James Hoar, 13, not born in County

Isaac and the Welchs are living nearby and on same Census page.

FreeREG has 9 Baptisms in Caddington to JOS/MARTHA Hoar;
05 Aug 1794, MARTHA
28 Feb 1796, JOS
5 Jul 1798, SARAH
07 Dec 1800, JN
05 Dec 1802, RICH
12 May 1805, THOS
25 Dec 1806, JAS
12 Mar 1809, WM
11 Oct 1812, ANN*******

[trish1120]

1871 in West Hyde, Bedfordshire we have;
Frederick Lawrence, 23, Head, Mar, Hat Blocker, born Luton, Bedfordshire
Matilda Lawrence, 25, Wife, Mar, Hat Sewer, born London, Middlesex
John Farrer   15, Brother, Gardener, born Hearfield, Middlesex
MARTHA Farrer, 9, Sister, born Hearfield, Middlesex*******

Looks good for the Baptism Mabel found;

1861 Census
Frederic Farrer, 38, Head, Mar, Gardener/Beer Retailer, born Watton, Hertfordshire.
Edith Farrer, 38
Frederic Farrer, 13
Henry Farrer, 11
Ellen Farrer, 9
Alfred Farrer, 7
JOHN Farrer, 5**********
Ruth Farrer, 2 and a Half
Agnes Farrer, 9mths
Ann Goodman, 13, Boarder

Marriage on Anc;
Frederick FARRER
Edith FITZJOHN
10 Oct 1844, St Marylebone, Westminster
Fathers, JOHN Farrer and BENJN Fitzjohn
Freds Occp Servant and both Fathers are Labourers

1851 Frederick FARRER is a Servant, Gardener, in the Taylor Household in Harefield, down as Married

[trish1120]

1851 Edith is in Hertfordshire;
Edith Farrer, 28, Head, Mar, Wife of a Gardener, born Walkern, Hertfordshire
Edith Farrer, 6
MATILDA, 4
Frederick Farrer, 2
Henry Farrier, 3 mths

Aaah, interesting;
Frederick is down as born c 1849 Lumpydrak, Cornwall.
If it is the same one 1871/1881 he is a Prisoner in Devon.

[fyremoon]

Thanks Trish, that's a lot of information.

They seem likely possibilities, but I suppose I won't know if either the Martha or William in these indices are my relatives or not, until I get some sort of documentation.