David McAdams 1802-1881 and Hannah Creath 1807-1881 Belfast/Antrim?

[mcadamsd]

I am searching for information on my 2nd great grandparents

I believe they lived in or around Belfast but that is based on the birth location given for one of their children.  David's birth year has appeared as 1800 and 1802 in Canadian records. I have been unable to find a death record for him but I believe he died after 1881 Canada census but before 1891.

His wife Hanna appears to have passed before the 1881 Canada census as David is widowed on the 1881 document

I know they were in Canada in 1861 but have not found an arrival year.

They had the following children


Mary Ann McAdams 1842–
   

Samuel McAdams 1845–
   
William John McAdams 1847–1935
   

Letticia McAdams 1848–1933

All the children were in Canada and I have marriages for all the children but incomplete info on the families after marriage beyond my direct grandparents and one other branch   

Any assistance or suggestions much appreciated

David McAdams
London, ON Canada

James McAdams 1849–1935

[mcadamsd]

Further feedback has indicated that Antrim may be incorrect but nothing definitive.

I have found David's death record.  He passed 24 DEC 1883 in Chatham, Kent, Ontario and age was given as 84 years so birth possibly 1799-1800.  Birth location only reported as Ireland and no parents listed.  He appears to have been with his daughter, Mary Ann McAdams and her second husband, Peter Woods as Peter is the informant on the death record.  They were living in Chatham, Ontario.  Cemetery searches have found no burial

Still no sign of Hannah after the 1871 Canada Census

[BallyaltikilliganG]

...I believe they lived in or around Belfast but that is based on the birth location given for one of their children.”    Which child please, as you say all born Canada
“
Hanna Creath 1807-1881
I was unable to find any Creath in the Tithes]

using 1823-1837 Tithes Applotment Books  based upon the index work of the Irish Genealogy Hub’s The relevant original books are in the
Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) Belfast
searching first for any David McAdam produced two in Keady co Armagh
McAdam, David-- Townland: Crossnamoil Year: 1825-Keady-Armagh
McAdam, David-- Townland: Dundrum Year: 1825-Keady-Armagh
other McAdams homesteads in the area included
McAdam, Edward-- Townland: Dunlarge Year: 1825-Keady-Armagh
McAdam, James-- Townland: Crossnamoil Year: 1825-Keady-Armagh
McAdam, James-Townland : Craigs Year: 1825-Portglenone-Antrim
McAdam, John-- Townland: Dundrum Year: 1825-Keady-Armagh
then I selected out the Co Antrim entries
McAdam, Joseph-Townland: Ballyrobin Year: 1827-Killead-Antrim
McAdam, James-Townland : Craigs Year: 1825-Portglenone-Antrim
 these last three are in Belfast surburba
McAdam, Saml.-Townland: Ballymartin Year: 1835- Carnmoney-Antrim
McAdams, Miss Townland : Upper Ballysillon Year: 1826-Shankill-Antrim
McAdams, Miss Townland: Upper Ballysillon Year: 1826-Belfast-Antrim

Spelling variations found McCadam, McCaddain, McCaddam, McCaddein, McCaddems,
McCadden, McCaden,   

about 30 years later in Griffiths valuation I find my first  Creath I am running out of time           
Creath   William   Townparks   Ramoan   Antrim
the next is alone a boarder in belfast in 1801
207 in Spamount Street (Dock Ward, Antrim)
Creath   Alex   23   Male   Boarder   English Church   County Antrim   Tailor   Read and write   English   Not Married

I am running out of time     further searches will include 1851 census fragments  ,  https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/proni   https://www.ancestryireland.com   
time up sorry keep going       lots of luck

[mcadamsd]

Been away from research for a while.

Thanks for added research from folks here.

I do have some added info since original post

The children were, as noted

Mary Ann McAdams 1842– ?  Born Ireland according to census and marriage info in Canada but no specific location.  She married an Edward Kohl 1832-1883 and a Peter Woods  1813-?

Samuel McAdams 1845– Born Ireland 1845-1849 based on Canada census and marriage docs.  He married Ida Wilburn 1862-?

William John McAdams  1847–1935  Canadian death record says birth Belfast Ireland and spell mother's name as Kreith rather than Creath  He married Margaret J Weir 1855-1908

Letticia McAdams 1848–1933  She was born in or around Whitby,Ontario and her death record spells mother as Creith  She married John Sylvester Slocum 1849-1934  Letticia's death record lists mother as Letticia.  Mystery there.

James McAdams 1849–1935 Born Pickering, Durham, Ontario, Canada and mother name listed as Creath on marriage record.  He married Mary Douglas Thompson  1842-1912

On some records David was listed as MacAdams

Unable to find an arrival year as no census or other record lists anything.  Dates of Canadian children would seem to indicate they fled the famine.

Also wondering about his age when some children were born.  Were there possibly other children born earlier?  Would 40+ years be late for having children?

Just found a record on the Canada immigration site for a David McAdams (and family) arriving in 1845 and going from Toronto to Pickering.  That would fit location for son James' birth.  No image so far of that document and searching for Hannah or children gives no results.  Possibly not listed on arrival document?  So far no luck with 1851 census of Canada

[aghadowey]

Dates of Canadian children would seem to indicate they fled the famine.

It's a popular misconception that people leaving Ireland during that period left because of the Great Famine when in actual fact there were many parts of Ireland (such as a large portion of Ulster) that did not suffer from the potato blight. in any case, people living in Belfast rather than on farms were less dependent on agriculture.

[mcadamsd]

Thanks for clarification on folks escaping famine. 

Just saw a notation at  Riverview Cemetery in Wallaceburg Ontario "dtr of David McAdams of Ireland and Letitia ____ of Ireland. Wife of Albert and mother of William and Minnie"

Letitia McAdams Slocum
Birth 8 Aug 1848  Whitby, Durham Regional Municipality, Ontario, Canada
Death 12 Feb 1933 (aged 84) Wallaceburg, Chatham-Kent Municipality, Ontario, Canada
Burial  Riverview Cemetery
Wallaceburg, Chatham-Kent Municipality, Ontario, Canada

So two references to Hannah as Letitia. However, Notation at cemetery may have come from the death record for daughter Letitia McAdams Slocum.

[BallyaltikilliganG]

another search for Creath in ireland
1796 Flax Growers of ireland
Creath                John                 Ballintoy          Antrim
Creath                Nathaniel       Ballintoy          Antrim
Creath                Thomas           Ballintoy          Antrim
Croath                John                 Billy              Antrim

the 1819 directory http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/1819_Alphanames.htm has a section missing Mor-just before McAfee, john. .  Mary lennon describes her copy thus

The Linenhall Library, Belfast has a copy
Author   Bradshaw, Thomas.
Title   Belfast general and commercial directory for 1819: containing an alphabetical list of the Merchants, manufacturers, and inhabitants in general; and a History of Belfast, and its Institutions : with a directory and history of Lisburn. Also, a list of English, Scotch, and Irish Bankers and other local information, with a new plan of Belfast.
Imprint Belfast (1, Cornmarket) : Printed by Francis D. Finlay, 1819. their copy kept in Belfast printed collection

PRONI  has another copy searchable  no Creath /Croath

earlier
from http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/1808.htm
McAdam, James, hardware merchant, 113 High Street
McAdam, George, hardware & toy merchant, 114 High Street
McAdam, Marshall, & Co., wholesale druggists, oil & colour merchants, 41 High St.

from http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/alphanames1843L2Mc.htm#McAdam
McAdam, John, Wholesale Druggist, Oil Crusher, etc., 31 Donegall Street.
McAdam, Robert S., of McAdam, Currell, & Co., residence, 18 College Square.
McAdam, Currell, & Co., Iron Founders, Engineers & Machine Makers, Soho Foundry, Townsend Street.
McAdam, James, & Co., Manufacturers of Agricultural Implements, Wholesale & Retail Saddlery Warehouse, Whip Makers, Agents for the Sale of English Leather Mill Bands, 11 Waring Street, James McAdam's Residence, 18 College Square.
McAdam, Miss, 18 College Square East.
McAdam, Miss Jane, 18 College Square East.
McAdam, Isabella, 16 Joy Street.
McAdam, George, Grocer, 53 Great Patrick Street.

from http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/1852names3.htm#Mc 
McAdam, John, cabinet maker, 2 Cargill Street
McAdam, James, painter and glazier, 11 Roy Street
McAdam, Miss J., boarding house, 11 Joy Street
McAdam, Robert, of A. and S. Henry and Co., 1 Windsor Place

from http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/alphanames1861a2f.htm#C
McAdam & Moore, linen merchants &c., 9 James' Street South. * Robert McAdam's residence, 7 Brunswick Street.
McAdam, John, 3 Mount Charles. and a surprise
Creeth, James, draper, 223 York Street.

after 1865 loads of Creeth marriages in https://www.ancestryireland.com  a credit reqd or join website but free to look up
a David McAdams on same source in 1853 is father of a Thomas   
below from familysearch
Samuel McAdams 1845– A Samuel in 1861 living London, Middlesex, Ontario, Canada
William John McAdams 1847–1935 a John living London, Middlesex, Ontario, Canada
I think these two are red herrings

below from Griffiths valuation
1861 Creath William Townparks Ramoan
1862 ?Creeth   John   Mountview Terrace,Ballyclare   Grange of Doagh   Antrim
1862 Creeth    John Doagh road Ballyclare Co Antrim
1860 Creeth   James   Dock Townparks York Street   Shankill   Antrim
so not getting anywhere

[mcadamsd]

Thanks for all that information.  Much to review.

Samuel McAdams 1845-  Living London, Middlesex Ontario  Occupation Farmer is son Of David 1802-1881

William John 1847-1935 Living London, Middlesex Ontario  Occupation Farmer is son Of David 1802-1881  Some records have him as John and some William James  Headstone has Wm. J. McAdams but only lists him as wife of Margaret.  Does not list his information.  Wondering if family had no money in 1935 to have stone updated

[BallyaltikilliganG]

Quote '' below from familysearch
Samuel McAdams 1845– A Samuel in 1861 living London, Middlesex, Ontario, Canada
William John McAdams 1847–1935 a John living London, Middlesex, Ontario, Canada
I think these two are red herrings '' i thought they were so many others same address in 1861 who were not listed by you that the parent name was wrong . i will try to reconnect