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Proper address where Emma was born in Langholm
« on: Wednesday 19 October 16 20:19 BST (UK) »
My paternal grandmother Emma Evans was born at Kirk Wynd Langholm Dumfries @ 2.30 on 23.Nov 1879.
Parents were George Evans(painter) & Sarah Elizabeth Evans nee Sinclair.
The problem I have got is there is no number or name of the house in Kirk Wynd .
Can anyone help me with this please.
Lancashire- Moss,Broadbent,Olley,Dobson,Dickenson,
Norfolk-Olley,Knowles,Bunn,Pooley,Scott,Vince
Caithness & Dumfries - Evans,Sinclair,Mackay
Belfast-Antrim - Mackay,Connor,Bunting
Liverpool,Wigan & Southport - Ball,Taylor
Isle of Man - Harp,Dougherty
Cheshire - Dickenson
Knighton,Radnorshire - Evans, Broadhurst
Caithness - Sinclair

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Re: Proper address where Emma was born in Langholm
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 19 October 16 20:44 BST (UK) »
Hi

It will probably be difficult if it's not on the birth cert as they family are in Carlisle by 1881.

There's this description of Kirk Wynd on Scotlands Places.

http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/ordnance-survey-name-books/dumfriesshire-os-name-books-1848-1858/dumfriesshire-volume-35/107#zoom=4&lat=523&lon=2418&layers=B


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Re: Proper address where Emma was born in Langholm
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 19 October 16 21:29 BST (UK) »
Hi

It will probably be difficult if it's not on the birth cert as they family are in Carlisle by 1881.

There's this description of Kirk Wynd on Scotlands Places.

http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/ordnance-survey-name-books/dumfriesshire-os-name-books-1848-1858/dumfriesshire-volume-35/107#zoom=4&lat=523&lon=2418&layers=B


Gadget
Thanks for the above info I think this is as near as I am going to get with this.I did actually bring a satellite picture up on google but pinning down the actual property where Emma was born seems a no go.At least I have a description of the area etc.
Thank you again
Betty
Lancashire- Moss,Broadbent,Olley,Dobson,Dickenson,
Norfolk-Olley,Knowles,Bunn,Pooley,Scott,Vince
Caithness & Dumfries - Evans,Sinclair,Mackay
Belfast-Antrim - Mackay,Connor,Bunting
Liverpool,Wigan & Southport - Ball,Taylor
Isle of Man - Harp,Dougherty
Cheshire - Dickenson
Knighton,Radnorshire - Evans, Broadhurst
Caithness - Sinclair

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Re: Proper address where Emma was born in Langholm
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 19 October 16 21:36 BST (UK) »
Sorry I couldn't help more but by the ages and places of birth of the other children on the 1881, they weren't in Langholm for very long  :-\


Added - no Evans births or deaths in the narrow time period. I've also looked at the 1875 and 1885 Valuation rolls for Kirk Wynd but no real indication from them either.
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Re: Proper address where Emma was born in Langholm
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 20 October 16 07:24 BST (UK) »
Sorry I couldn't help more but by the ages and places of birth of the other children on the 1881, they weren't in Langholm for very long  :-\


Added - no Evans births or deaths in the narrow time period. I've also looked at the 1875 and 1885 Valuation rolls for Kirk Wynd but no real indication from them either.

George Evans - moved the family about with his work as a painter & eventually they settled in Salford,Lancashire.I believe he passed away in 1893 & Sarah his wife re-married 1897.
Emma married John Moss in 1900 (my grandparents).My dad was their 13th child.
Emma died in 1935 in Eccles.
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Betty
Lancashire- Moss,Broadbent,Olley,Dobson,Dickenson,
Norfolk-Olley,Knowles,Bunn,Pooley,Scott,Vince
Caithness & Dumfries - Evans,Sinclair,Mackay
Belfast-Antrim - Mackay,Connor,Bunting
Liverpool,Wigan & Southport - Ball,Taylor
Isle of Man - Harp,Dougherty
Cheshire - Dickenson
Knighton,Radnorshire - Evans, Broadhurst
Caithness - Sinclair

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Re: Proper address where Emma was born in Langholm
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 20 October 16 11:40 BST (UK) »
Hi bettyespana, 

After checking the local newspaper index in Langholm it gives the detail only as:  Birth at Kirkwynd Langholm on 29th November 1879 a daughter to wife of George Evans painter. I note that the date differs so this was possibly due to an incorrect date given to the newspaper.

Lucy
Canonbie: Armstrong, Bell, Dickson,Dixon, Davidson, Little, Barclay,Carruthers,Byers, Baty, Murray, Mccorquindale, Scott, Calvert,
Langholm :  Reid, Johnstone, Cowan, Hounam
Castleton : Irving, Pott, Oliver, Murray, Armstrong

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Re: Proper address where Emma was born in Langholm
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 20 October 16 12:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Lucy

 Just a thought - not sure if George Evans worked like this but there might be adverts in the newspaper advertising his painting services. 

Is there any chance of you looking for any - it would be circa 1878-pre-census 1881. Also there might be something in any local directories. Betty - do you have access to these via Ancestory for e.g.?

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Added - just found a couple of interesting newspaprer reports in which Geroge Evans, house painter, sugggested that 'the working men of Langholm, contribute for a gift for Mr Gladstone - Oct 1879
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Re: Proper address where Emma was born in Langholm
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 20 October 16 13:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Lucy

 Just a thought - not sure if George Evans worked like this but there might be adverts in the newspaper advertising his painting services. 

Is there any chance of you looking for any - it would be circa 1878-pre-census 1881. Also there might be something in any local directories. Betty - do you have access to these via Ancestory for e.g.?

Gadget

Added - just found a couple of interesting newspaprer reports in which Geroge Evans, house painter, sugggested that 'the working men of Langholm, contribute for a gilft for Mr Gladstone - Oct 1879

Thank you Lucy & Gadget,

I don't have access to Ancestry as I no longer subscribe to that site.
How interesting to find that my Gt Grandfather George Evans should suggest a contribution to Mr Gladstone in 1879.What would be the reason for that was there something significant had happened?
Betty
Lancashire- Moss,Broadbent,Olley,Dobson,Dickenson,
Norfolk-Olley,Knowles,Bunn,Pooley,Scott,Vince
Caithness & Dumfries - Evans,Sinclair,Mackay
Belfast-Antrim - Mackay,Connor,Bunting
Liverpool,Wigan & Southport - Ball,Taylor
Isle of Man - Harp,Dougherty
Cheshire - Dickenson
Knighton,Radnorshire - Evans, Broadhurst
Caithness - Sinclair

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Re: Proper address where Emma was born in Langholm
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 27 October 16 17:52 BST (UK) »
Hi Betty and Gadget,

Sorry I haven't been able to find anything else regarding George Evans or the exact location on Kirkwynd where he lived.
However if I do I shall let you know.

Lucy
Canonbie: Armstrong, Bell, Dickson,Dixon, Davidson, Little, Barclay,Carruthers,Byers, Baty, Murray, Mccorquindale, Scott, Calvert,
Langholm :  Reid, Johnstone, Cowan, Hounam
Castleton : Irving, Pott, Oliver, Murray, Armstrong