Proper address where Emma was born in Langholm

[lanercost]

Very odd. In the overlay that I've done below,  the only diffs seem to be buildings behind on either side (uncoloured - shaded).

The 1861 census is the only free online census that have house numbers (Free cen) 1841 doesn't have numbers.  1861 shows 1-17 Kirk Wynd.

Still doesn't help Betty though 

Gadget

I'll guess the enumerator was just numbering the houses as he got to them. I had a 4th great grandmother die here in 1890 and still no numbers for her death certificate.

[Gadget]

I've found the only obvious painter in Kirkwynd in the period that the Evanses were there. It could be that there is a link.

A David Reid, painter, was the occupier of a house on West side of KW in 1876,1877 and 1878, between George Scott and John Keddie.


In 1871, he was a boarder at Towkers Close and b, Hawick.

He's on the 1881 census at 3 Kirkwynd, married with 4 children (aged 1-8). Occ - painter (journeyman). 

By 1891, he'd moved around the corner to Back Drove Road.


Gadget

added - George Evans doesn't appear in any of the available  valuation Rolls 1876, 1877, 1878. Nothing for 1879, so could be he was sub-letting and/or his occupier status was not declared.

[bettyespana]

I've found the only obvious painter in Kirkwynd in the period that the Evanses were there. It could be that there is a link.

A David Reid, painter, was the occupier of a house on West side of KW in 1876,1877 and 1878, between George Scott and John Keddie.


In 1871, he was a boarder at Towkers Close and b, Hawick.

He's on the 1881 census at 3 Kirkwynd, married with 4 children (aged 1-8). Occ - painter (journeyman). 

By 1891, he'd moved around the corner to Back Drove Road.


Gadget

That is interesting,George Evans would also have had 4 children similar ages when Emma was born in 1879.I wonder if he was living in No.3 prior to David Reid.
I do know that the family was at Rayston Court  St Cuthberts Without,Carlisle in 1881c
RG11/5155 f.36,p.13
By 1891c they were back in Lancashire @ Ellesmere Street Hulme.George died 1893 Salford.
Betty 

[Gadget]

Got a few more search ideas, Betty, but have to be out this afternoon.

David's son John was born at KW in January 1978 and your Emma was Nov 1879. What a pity there's no Valuation Roll for there in 1879 

Gadget

[bettyespana]

Got a few more search ideas, Betty, but have to be out this afternoon.

David's son John was born at KW in January 1978 and your Emma was Nov 1879. What a pity there's no Valuation Roll for there in 1879 

Gadget

Ok Gadget,I will watch this space.I have noted a little error in Johns birth I am sure it wasn't 1978!
yes I know we can all make little mistakes ha! ha!

[Gadget]

 

Too many 1s and 8s and 7s and 9s. My usual mistakes are with letters rather than numbers. I touch type but my left hand is stonger than my right and on my little laptop, I tend to get the left hand letters of the keyboard first!

So far I've only found a couple of newspaper refs to David Reid - one in the early 1870s when he was in Hawick. I paraphrase - David Reid, a painter from Langholm was pulled from the Teviot, face down, in a state of inebriation. And later in mid 1880s, again a wee bit drunk!.

George Scott and John Keddie seem to have stayed in KW only briefly, as far as I can make out.



Gadget 

[Rosinish]

Also intrigued by croft numbers, Annie,  as  they seemed to be fairly static in the Wester Ross community that I looked at - only changes were when neighburing crofts were acquired and then they would be given as a range - say 123- 128, etc.

Yes it's confusing as normally it would be Rent Roll no's which went with them when they moved 

Sometimes people moved to crofts already inhabited i.e shared so croft 253 would be split to either 254 (which is strange as you would think they would run in a row with the no's) or it would become 253a.

There are other divisions where croft no. 353 is part of croft no. 331 & croft no. 354 is part of croft 338 becoming croft no. 338/354
EDIT Person in the above division originally lived at croft 354 i.e. an e.g. of croft no. going with them 

This is taken from the area of Boisdale, South Uist, Inverness-shire.

Annie

Added, Just to confirm what I was initially referring to.

[bettyespana]

Too many 1s and 8s and 7s and 9s. My usual mistakes are with letters rather than numbers. I touch type but my left hand is stonger than my right and on my little laptop, I tend to get the left hand letters of the keyboard first!

So far I've only found a couple of newspaper refs to David Reid - one in the early 1870s when he was in Hawick. I paraphrase - David Reid, a painter from Langholm was pulled from the Teviot, face down, in a state of inebriation. And later in mid 1880s, again a wee bit drunk!.

George Scott and John Keddie seem to have stayed in KW only briefly, as far as I can make out.



Gadget

Sounds like quite a character does David Reid.
I also used to have the same trouble when I had my small laptop however it recently died & has been replaced with an ideapad which is slightly bigger.29cm I love it.
Betty

[bettyespana]

Also intrigued by croft numbers, Annie,  as  they seemed to be fairly static in the Wester Ross community that I looked at - only changes were when neighburing crofts were acquired and then they would be given as a range - say 123- 128, etc.

Yes it's confusing as normally it would be Rent Roll no's which went with them when they moved 

Sometimes people moved to crofts already inhabited i.e shared so croft 253 would be split to either 254 (which is strange as you would think they would run in a row with the no's) or it would become 253a.

There are other divisions where croft no. 353 is part of croft no. 331 & croft no. 354 is part of croft 338 becoming croft no. 338/354
EDIT Person in the above division originally lived at croft 354 i.e. an e.g. of croft no. going with them 

This is taken from the area of Boisdale, South Uist, Inverness-shire.

Annie

Added, Just to confirm what I was initially referring to.

My goodness whatever were they thinking about.All looks double dutch.
Betty