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Re: Le Ruez, Rouet, or Lorraway
« Reply #18 on: Monday 24 October 16 10:39 BST (UK) »
Quote from: tcwaters
The death notice doesn't seem to be John as his middle name was Charles.


Hi again...

The death notice to which I linked in reply#7 is, as you say, definitely not for your man John Charles LORRAWAY.

What I was suggesting is that the following information you gave earlier, namely ...

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the information I have says he died on 12th November 1881 in Owate Suth Island NZ

... is wrong.

What is your source that says that John Charles senior died in NZ.

For what it's worth, the nearest NZ death I can come up with is John Charles RAY who died 21 Sep 1884, aged 35 years.

Not sure where he died or where he is buried. May need to check the Deaths fiche.

Coroner, Christchurch - Date: 2 October 1884 Subject: Inquest proceedings on John Charles Ray
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=24476343

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Do you know of any specific connection that the family had with Mt Morgan prior to their arrival. Other family members already living there maybe.

And out of curiosity, would the family have spoken English or French when living in Jersey.

And to answer your original question, as I understand it back in the 1880's there were very few records kept when travelling between Australia and NZ so the likelihood of your finding a record of the family travelling from Waimate to Queensland is very small.

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The Apelles passenger list gives two more spellings of the surname. LERONET and LEARY.

http://tinyurl.com/gvj8ppv

The word in the column is Timaru. Timaru is a town in the Waimate district.

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Yes, Owaka is indeed a town within the Catlins area

Thanks Alan :)

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Beg

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Re: Le Ruez, Rouet, or Lorraway
« Reply #19 on: Monday 24 October 16 11:04 BST (UK) »
I've looked through the digitised electoral rolls on ancestry. The name Lorraway does not make an appearance until 1969 and even then in Auckland. Le Ruez and Rouet are absent.

Beg the relationship between Timaru and Waimate is the other way around, Waimate is a town in the Timaru district. There is however a settlement named Waimate (North) in Northland but given the passenger list is a Canterbury one I suspect that could be discounted. In addition i searched the on line cemetery database for the Waimate DC. There were no Lorraways or anything even close. Same result when i checked by date or just christian names. Nothing.

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Living in Christchurch, New Zealand.

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Re: Le Ruez, Rouet, or Lorraway
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 25 October 16 01:36 BST (UK) »
PM sent with details of person also doing research on this family.....

Question:Can you please tell us how old the missing John Charles was when he died in New Zealand.

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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Le Ruez, Rouet, or Lorraway
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 26 October 16 03:44 BST (UK) »
Quote from: minniehaha
Can you please tell us how old the missing John Charles was when he died in New Zealand

Hi Minnie...

The 1874 Apelles passenger list has him aged 29 so born c.1845

In 1881, his presumed year of death, he would have been 36-ish.

The John Charles RAY (RUEZ?) that I mentioned was 35 when he died in 1884.

Considering the multiple surname variations in this thread I'm quite comfortable with the RAY/RUEZ? informant giving an incorrect age at death :)

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A seven month old son called Francis is mentioned on the passenger list but not yet mentioned in this thread. Has anyone discovered his fate?

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Alan - thanks again for the correction. My South Island geography is sorely lacking. So much for "don't leave town till you've seen the country" :)

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Beg


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Re: Le Ruez, Rouet, or Lorraway
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 26 October 16 04:25 BST (UK) »
Beg, don't worry about it. I'm still trying to figure out where this "Auckland" place is that we ceaselessly hear so much about.

Alan
Living in Christchurch, New Zealand.

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Re: Le Ruez, Rouet, or Lorraway
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 26 October 16 05:16 BST (UK) »
Just throwing this snippet from 'Papers Past' into the mix.........

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18850805.2.2.6?query=john%20charles%20ray


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Le Ruez, Rouet, or Lorraway
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 26 October 16 07:09 BST (UK) »
Thanks Minnie...

Back to square one :-)

Regards
Beg

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Re: Le Ruez, Rouet, or Lorraway
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 26 October 16 08:30 BST (UK) »

"..  the children were John Charles, William, Edward, Alice...."

Who is Edward, and where do you see him mentioned?

I think you said that you have this death certificate -
1955 / C5295 LORRAWAY George           parents John LORRAWAY / Mary HUTCHINS

What does it have for residency history?

Do you have a death certificate for Mary LORRAWAY d. 1909. I think it would be useful to you.

Do you have marriage certificate for either -
George LORRAWAY m. 1899  or William LORRAWAY  m. 1900.

The death certificates you have record information given at the end of life by an informant. A marriage certificate has self-reported information about bride and groom and would be useful to you.

From reply #12 -

....In Mem for Mary Jane LORRAWAY d. 1909......
loving daughter and son and daughter-in-law and son-in-law, G. and E. Lorraway and E. and P. Neilsen.

I think this is possibly the NEILSEN connection -
QLD BDM birth
1889 / C6485  HUTCHINS Eliza Jane  parents  HUTCHINS / Mary Jane HUTCHINS

QLD BDM marriage
1910 / C2361 HOCKING Eliza Jane   m.   NIELSEN Peter

QLD BDM death
1942 / C665 NEILSEN Eliza Jane   parents  HOCKING Charles / HUTCHINGS Mary Jane

Similarly, and possibly another daughter -
QLD BDM birth
1891 / C7184 HUTCHINGS Gertrude Ann  parents  HUTCHINGS / Mary Jane HUTCHINGS

QLD BDM marriage
1912 / C1885 HUTCHINGS Gertrude Ann   m.  WHARLEY William Arthur 

QLD BDM death
1969 / C760 WHARLEY Gertrude Anne parents  - / Mary Jane HUTCHINGS

You need to see the 1909 death certificate for Mary LORRAWAY.