Catherine Cree & Peter Campbell - Missing some important facts....

[lockhaven]

Hi, I'm trying to find out more about my 4th Great Grandparents Catherine Cree & Peter Campbell. I seemed to be stumped on a few things...

- Catherine's death
- Peter's parents, birth (guessing around 1783?) & death

On my 3rd Great Grandfather, Archibald Campbell's death certificate it lists his parents as Peter Campbell (Manufacturer) deceased & Catharine Cree deceased. Assuming those details are correct of course.

I believe Catherine was born to Thomas Cree 1741-1822 & Catherine Miller 1744-1795 and that she was born 24 Dec 1781 in Perth, Perth.
Her siblings being Alexander, Thomas, Peter, John, David & Jean.

Her and Peter were married in Perth, Perth, Scotland 17 Aug 1810. (which means Catherine was 29, interesting, that would be quite old back then)

I haven't been able to find a Death anywhere.

Her & Peter had 5 boys....
John Murray Campbell b. 1811
Thomas Crie Campbell b. 1815
Peter Campbell b. 1821
Robert Bower Campbell b. 1823
Archibald Campbell b. 1825-1891 (my x3 great grandfather)

They were all born in Perth.

I was able to find Peter and his two sons, Peter & Archibald in the 1841 Census over in Strathbungo Village, Lanarkshire, Govan, it looks like they moved there, I'm not sure when. (his son Thomas was also living in Strathbungo with his wife Margaret)
He's listed with an estimated birth year of 1783, and working as a Cotton Hand Loom Weaver.
(there doesn't seem to be any sign of Catherine, possibly she passed away between the birth of Archibald (her youngest) and 1841? I searched for the Perth Cemetery records and couldn't find her.

Peter doesn't seem to appear on any 1851 Scotland Census' so I'm guessing he must have passed away between 1841-1851. I also haven't had any luck finding his date of birth, birth parents or date of death. When I search on familysearch, none of the Peter Campbell's seem like him, they're all in smaller villages far away from Perth.

I'm a bit stuck, and advice or tips on where to go from hear would be greatly appreciated!! Thanks so much!

[Rosinish]

Hi Lockhaven,

Have you found which Parish in "Perth" the children were born?

This will narrow your search.

Annie

[Rosinish]

Could Peter & Donald be brothers/cousins with children given "Murray" as mother's/grandmother's maiden name?

CAMPBELL JOHN MURRAY
PETER CAMPBELL/CATHARINE CREE
20/11/1811
387/150 453 Perth

Do you have the original of the above & what does it say?


CAMPBELL JOHN MURRAY
DONALD CAMPBELL/ (Mother's name not given) ?
25/12/1814
404/40 15 Arngask

Annie

[Rosinish]

Do any of the children's baptisms give any clue to areas or occupation?

It is possible they emigrated.

Annie

[Rosinish]

I should have mentioned, this would be around the time of Gaelic speaking Scotland & Peter may be down as Patrick (Padraig) as Peter/Patrick are/were interchangeable?

Perth/Perthshire was known as the "Gateway" to the Highlands (Gaelic speaking).

Annie

[Rosinish]

Ah, I see you found Peter in 1841.

The original should tell you whether he was a widower or if it doesn't state "widower" that would mean he's married.

I have a relative on a census on his own (although married) but I found his wife with their daughter at her abode elsewhere.

Annie

[MonicaL]

There won't be a marital status given normally in 1841, Annie, which is a pity.

Lockhaven, with Annie's mention of the middle name Murray. One possible entry for Peter here, with mother showing as Margaret Murray, https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X1QW-ZYN

No girls showing for Peter and Catherine. But there does seem to be gaps there. Hard to say really for now.

Monica

[Rosalinda Jones]

Hello,

I'm not sure if this helps or adds more confusion (!) but the names you've listed seem to match a lot in my own tree. All of my Crees were from Perth, and mostly weavers.

While I can't directly connect your Thomas Cree and Catherine Miller, I have an Alexander Cree married to a Mary Miller, both born around 1740s in Perth. Their children that we know of included a Jean, David (my ancestor), Thomas and Alexander.  David's grandson was named Peter Campbell Cree, born 1820, and married an Elizabeth Murray in 1846.

I just thought with such similiar names there must surely be a link somewhere? For example, perhaps this is two Miller sisters marrying two Cree brothers?  It might explain the similarity in names down the line but the two clearly separate families....

Best regards
Ros

[Rosinish]

This may be of interest/help?

I haven't searched through it myself.

http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/search/place/arngask?id=543

Annie