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Re: What happened to John Cook & Frances Crowder 1812-1813 at Knottingley?
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 03 May 17 13:38 BST (UK) »
A few questions

If your Mary Russel ( nee Burton) married Thomas Goldsbrough in 1805 - why was she 'of the parish of Sculcoates' ?

In November 1802 when William Russell's son William Jnr was buried Parish records give "son of Wm Russell of Hull Sailor".  So could be the family moved to Hull for William's job as a Sailor?
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Re: What happened to John Cook & Frances Crowder 1812-1813 at Knottingley?
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 03 May 17 13:57 BST (UK) »

Well spotted Goughy  :)

It would explain things wouldn't it.
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« Reply #38 on: Thursday 04 May 17 09:52 BST (UK) »
i have a lil more info on this post please reply

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Re: What happened to John Cook & Frances Crowder 1812-1813 at Knottingley?
« Reply #39 on: Thursday 04 May 17 22:04 BST (UK) »
i have a lil more info on this post please reply

Hello James

Are you saying you have a little more information for me? Please go ahead and post it, thanks.

Or are you saying you wish to see more information, if so, I posted some information Reply #7, here:-

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=770770.7

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Re: What happened to John Cook & Frances Crowder 1812-1813 at Knottingley?
« Reply #40 on: Sunday 11 March 18 17:38 GMT (UK) »
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Crowder of Pontefract & Brotherton near Ferrybridge
Discovered quite some information on the Crowder family, who were Bankers at nearby Pontefract - Crowder, Perfect, Hotham, and Hardcastle and also dealing with Bankruptcy.

John Crowder was Deputy Receiver of Rents and Revenue of H. M. in Right of His Duchy of Lancaster for the counties of York & Nottingham. Also property agent and working with a Mr Bower.

John Crowder, Esq., resided at Brotherton near Ferrybridge (immediately North of Knottingley) and his address is also given as Brotherton Castle.


Hello

Back in Knottingley near Ferrybridge (and not far away from Pontefract) in March 1813 Geo HOOD and Frances CROWDER were occupying a property for one year.


In September 1810 the following Banking Houses stopped payment ...
Seaton, Sons, and Foster, of PONTEFRACT;
Seaton, Foster, and Co. of SELBY;
Seaton, Brooke, and Co. of Huddersfield.


John Foster and Thomas Foster of Selby, Merchants, had dissolved in 1810, per Lon. Gaz. 10th November 1810


A letter was written in 1833 by John Foster, Banker, in which John Foster claimed William Procter of Selby was also a Banker. Other Notices confirm Wm Procter of Selby was a Merchant (besides a Flax Dresser).


According to items discovered a 'Merchant ' must also have been involved in Banking.


In March 1813, the Meetings of the Creditors are to begin in April at Ferrybridge, for the late firm of John Seaton, Sons and Thomas Foster of Selby, Bankrupts, heretofore carrying on a Trade as Bankers.


Later in July 1813 there was a Meeting in Pontefract and the Dividend of John Seaton, Sons, and Foster, would be paid by the Bank of Messrs Crowder, Perfect and Co. of Pontefract.


I need to do more research, but believe George HOOD, might have some link to the Bank and this might explain his temporary lodging with Frances CROWDER for only one year to deal with the business and or Meetings (there was no fast train in 1813 from Selby to Ferrybridge and Pontefract), so having a place where George HOOD could stay and operate from would be useful.


Fortunately, some individuals (except Hood and Procter) were in Court, so some case material, to see if George Hood, was mentioned.

The first Seven of the Ten results appear to relate to the Bank
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_aq=Seaton%20Foster&_dss=range&_sd=1808&_ed=1818&_ro=any&_st=adv


John Perfect and Crowder families
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_aq=John%20Perfect%20Crowder&_ep=John%20Perfect&_dss=range&_sd=1808&_ed=1818&_ro=any&_st=adv


BRACKEN, Clerk v. HOTHAM and Others
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=-3Q0AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA161&lpg=PA161&dq=%22John+Seaton%22+banker&source=bl&ots=wroJyVkwQQ&sig=hrRMMZkpOqKWENni62dTRqc7xpU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjf0LDfpefZAhVhDsAKHTyoCLoQ6AEwB3oECAQQAQ


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Re: What happened to John Cook & Frances Crowder 1812-1813 at Knottingley?
« Reply #41 on: Tuesday 13 March 18 19:11 GMT (UK) »
1st December 1810 - Messrs SEATONS BANKRUPTCY

First Meeting of the Commissioners under Messrs Seatons' Bankruptcy was held at Huddersfield on Monday last ...

Second Meeting at Pontefract on Wednesday appointed Assignees and Treasurers ...
CROWDER, PERFECT, HOTHAM, and HARDCASTLE, were appointed TREASURERS.

Following were appointed ASSIGNEES to the Bankruptcy by a majority
Ellis Leckonby HODGSON,
William Rawdon EARNSHAW,
Joshua HEPWORTH Esqrs.


1810 Reference to the Creditors of Sir Richard PHILLIPS

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The Chancery Cases in the above (TNA) link and the following two:-
[H1811 F4] Foster v Seaton 1811
Plaintiff - Thos Foster
Defendants - Ellis Leckonby Hodgson, William Rawdon Earnshaw, Joshua Hepworth, William Hotham, John Seaton, Grosvenor Perfect, John FOX Seaton, Robert Seaton and John Perfect.
 
and
[H1811 F4] Foster v Hodgson 1812

Have revealed a third case:-
[H1811 F4] Fox v Grundy 1812
(Thomas FOX and Wife versus Henry Grundy).

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Parnership carried on is dissolved in relation to William Holtham only 22 February 1815
Signed:-
John Crowder
John Perfect
Wm Hotham
C. Hardcastle
Wm Perfect

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Trying to work out how (as claimed by John Foster in 1833) William Procter of Selby, Esq., might be connected to the Bank of Seaton, Foster and Co. of Selby, or Seaton, Sons and Foster of Pontefract?


Quaker Book
William FOX (1746 - 1820) born at Nottingham and died Nottingham 1820 ...
MARRRIED Mary PROCTER in 1781 DAUGHTER OF Thomas and Mary PROCTER of SELBY

(FOX in the Selby Quaker Minutes looks to be misspelt as Wm Tiox)


Selby Quaker Minutes
Thomas PROCTER is intending to marry Alice HARDCASTLE (circa 1780 - 1781)


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Re: What happened to John Cook & Frances Crowder 1812-1813 at Knottingley?
« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 14 March 18 11:59 GMT (UK) »
Brief snippets about John Seaton.


Leeds Intelligencer,  7th November 1786

PONTEFRACT BANK
Is this Day opened by Mess. John Perfect
and John Seaton.
November 4th, 1786.



Leeds Intelligencer,  23 September 1788

Last week John Seaton, Esq; banker, was chosen as the Mayor of the Borough of Pontefract for the year ensuing ; being the third time of serving that office within the last eight years.

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Re: What happened to John Cook & Frances Crowder 1812-1813 at Knottingley?
« Reply #43 on: Saturday 26 May 18 09:53 BST (UK) »
Hello All

I am reviewing the 1833 Deed Registration of the Wren Lane property (ex Henry Mitton's), belonging to John CLARKSON of Newport, Eastrington, Farmer, who transferred a Dwelling House and Yard to George HOOD of Selby, Private Brewer, in 1833. The Registration also says that George Hood occupied the neighbouring property of the Hon. Edward Robert Petre (Lord Petre).

(ADDED - places & occupations)
The 1833 Registration of the Transfer, by John CLARKSON was witnessed by Robert STANILAND of Selby, Joiner and Wm Shearburn of Snaith, Attorney.


Snaith 10th September 1827 Henry MITTON married Eliza SHILLITO (Eliza Shillett in York Herald and both of Snaith).

A Whitley property document DDCL/2813 dated 26-27 December 1826
Parties: 1) Richard GILL of Wintersett, farmer, Francis EADON of Whitley, Gent & Wm SHEARBURN of Snaith Gent 2) Wm SHEARBURN and William MITTON of Selby Gent, ... formerly occupied by Thomas SHEARBURN ...
Witnesses: Wm SHEARBURN Jun. of Snaith, Jeremiah WILSON of Wintersett farmer, John GREEN of Wintersett, farmer,  Eliza SHILLITO, William BOULTON, John HOGGARD and a William COCKER, Witnesses.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/browse/r/h/f65df5c1-9874-4bbc-af4f-7f349712162a


I keep searching the newspapers for any link to HOOD, but found the following, a marriage link CLARKSON to GARBUTT and business link to STANILAND [the surname GARBUTT is known to have other HOOD links]  ...

York Herald, 30th July 1825
On Wednesday week, at Eastrington, near Howden, Mr. S. A. Garbut, (of the firm of Staniland and Garbutt, silk mercers, of Hull) to Mary, eldest daughter of Mr John Clarkson, farmer and miller, of Newport.

Gazette Notice of 1831
ADDED - Gazette Notice of 1831 - Staniland and Garbutt, Silk Mercers and Drapers at the Town of Kingston upon Hull being dissolved, dated 31st December 1830.
Joseph S. STANILAND.
Saml. A. GARBUTT.


I wonder if there is some link to George Hood, or other GARBUTT - HOOD link.

Thread for HOOD, Wills, (See Ann HOOD, 1799, of Kingston upon Hull, Will)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=781212.msg6355993#msg6355993

Thank you, Mark


Brief background on "Mr Pearson Solicitor marrying Miss Mitton.

"Mr Pearson" was Mathew Pearson a Solicitor in Selby.  He was born in Laughton-en-le-Morthen (Rotherham, Yorkshire)  in 1774 to John Pearson (Yeoman) and Francis Sinclair.  He married Sarah Ann Mitton.

Henry Mitton, Brewer of Snaith married Mary Eaden of Kellington 1 Jan 1775.  He died 1803 in Snaith.   He had a son Henry born 1790 (farmer in Snaith in 1828).  His eldest son William took over his father's copyhold in Snaith.

Thanks Goughy

Oh that is interesting.

Mr Matthew Pearson, Solicitor in Selby who married Sarah Ann Mitton, was born Rotherham.

Also Mary Eadon (alias Eaden) who married Henry Mitton, brewer of Snaith, was of Kellington.


George Hood of Selby took over the Malt-kiln of Henry Mitton, Maltster of Snaith.
One of the sons of James Hood, carried the middle name of Pearson.

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A Mr Hood visited Samuel Hirst of Kellington in 1833 and George Hood sold a hunting horse, according to Samuel Hirst's Diary of 1833.

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Chester Newby, Miller, who was George Hood's Bondsman in 1815, was born Whitley, Kellington in 1790.

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Regarding Mitton and Eadon ...

Whitehall, January 1, 1836.
The King has been pleased to grant unto Henry Mitton, of Snaith, in the county of York, Gent. son of Henry Mitton, late of Snaith aforesaid, Gent. deceased, by Mary his wife, sister of Thomas Eadon, of Selby, in the county of York, Attorney at Law, also deceased, His royal licence and permission, that he and his issue may, in compliance with a condition contained in the codicil to the last will and testament of his maternal uncle, the said Thomas Eadon, henceforth take and use the surname of Eadon, instead of that of Mitton, and, further to evince his grateful and affectionate respect to the memory of his said maternal uncle, also bear the arms of Eadon; such arms being first duly exemplified according to the laws of arms, and recorded in the Heralds' Office, otherwise the said royal licence and permission to be void and of none effect:
And also to command, that the said royal concession and declaration be registered in His Majesty's College of Arms.



https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1A1KAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA79&lpg=PA79&dq=%22Arms+of+Eadon%22&source=bl&ots=G9781g11Ct&sig=4a256qOz7ZG4meZ6ZttUxqJODLw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwii-fH5junQAhXMJMAKHYQZDEoQ6AEIGjAA


http://www.heirloomandhoward.com/frmWorkDetail.asp?menu1=Gallery&menu2=HO&StockID=114

Clarkson to Hood
George Hood has taken over the Selby Malt-kiln of Henry Mitton of Snaith according to the 1833 Deed Registration copy, which also shows George Hood acquiring this Malt-kiln from John Clarkson of Newport, in the Parish of Eastrington, Farmer.

Also confirms that George Hood, was occupying adjacent premises of the Hon. Edward Petrie.



Trouble is with these Deed Registrations, they don't say whether property was purchased, bequeathed, or passed in some other way.

Regards Mark

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Re: What happened to John Cook & Frances Crowder 1812-1813 at Knottingley?
« Reply #44 on: Friday 01 June 18 04:40 BST (UK) »
For info only on area, my paternal Gt Granddad's X 4 and 5

Parents William Jackson his wife Frances Barnard married 1755

son John Jackson bapt 1761 his future wife Margaret Lake married 1787

John Jackson Tanner Shoemaker died 1838 in Beal near Knottingley - person present at death William Pearson.
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In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth