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Re: Help with William Donkin in Newcastle
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 05 November 16 16:34 GMT (UK) »
George was born about 1870 and have found his mother Isabella died soon after in the same year. I have yet to find his birth..

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Re: Help with William Donkin in Newcastle
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 05 November 16 16:37 GMT (UK) »
There is a William Donkin, a chain maker, on the 1871 census, born in Yorkshire, with a wife, Mary, and sons, George b 1870 and John, born in 1864. Also a daughter, Ann, b 1865.

In 1881, the William with Isabella is also a chain maker but older and unmarried.

Three matching chldren were born to a mother named Straker - Mary Jane Straker married William Donkin in 1862.

Might be worth looking at, given that the 1881 relationship details are a bit vague and the children probably from two different families.

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Re: Help with William Donkin in Newcastle
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 05 November 16 16:47 GMT (UK) »
This is the census that made me confused, hence why I said their father was called William. I believe now that they are a different family, because I know George is related to the Forster's, as his son has Forster as his middle name. So I knew that I had the right William, but it was his brother George that was the father to the children.

I think George and his wife died young because in 1871 I found the children, the eldest 20, living without their parents, the next census they are living with Isabella, their aunt, and her family.

update - George died in 1869 and Isabella died in 1870, which is why their children are living on their own in 1871 with their aunt and her family in 1881.
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Re: Help with William Donkin in Newcastle
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 04 December 16 13:14 GMT (UK) »
Update

MaureeninNY suggested they were listed under DUNCAN in 1841 census. I think this is right, they all seem to be born around the right years and now I have their mother's name. Thanks!

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Re: Help with William Donkin in Newcastle
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 17 May 17 10:45 BST (UK) »
Can anyone help with finding George Donkin (b. 1870) 1901 census?

He is married to Hannah Mary Armstrong and children George William, Robert and John Forster Donkin.

Also, I overlooked one thing... that his father died in 1869 and mother in 1870  :-\ and now I am stuck. There is a seven year gap between George and the youngest son, so George must have other parents.

I have the right George Donkin in 1881, where he is living with his uncle and aunt, Robert and Isabella (nee Donkin) Forster. I thought George's dad was Isabella's brother, George, but obviously not. The only other possibility is William Donkin, Isabella's other brother, but he never married.

I know this sounds confusing but any help is appreciated.


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Re: Help with William Donkin in Newcastle
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 17 May 17 16:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Beth,

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He is married to Hannah Mary Armstrong.

Dont  you mean Laing?

John Forster Donkins Birth Reg has Mothers mn as Laing

Marriage;
13 January 1892, St Andrew, Newcastle, England
George DONKIN, Father WILLIAM
Mary Hannah LAING, Father WILLIAM
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As you know Hannah Mary Donkin and 3 Children are with her Parents.

George must be away working but havent found him 1901 Census either.

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Re: Help with William Donkin in Newcastle
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 17 May 17 16:50 BST (UK) »
I found that Hannah Mary was illegitimate, her birth name is Hannah Mary Armstrong. Her mother married William Laing when she was still quite young.

Also, I looked for Hannah and George's marriage, and says his father is William. So there are two possibilities: William (unmarried brother of George and Isabella) had a son, or the 1871 census before mentioned with a William and Mary Donkin. However, that William Donkin was born in Yorkshire, and as George was definitely living with his aunt and uncle in 1881, who were born in Newcastle/Durham, I think it can be ruled out.   ??? ???
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Re: Help with William Donkin in Newcastle
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 17 May 17 16:56 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that Beth.

Its a really complicated one. If William was his Father and never married Georges Mother the Birth would be reg under her name.

But as George says he is born c 1870 where is he in 1871 Census also ???
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Re: Help with William Donkin in Newcastle
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 17 May 17 17:57 BST (UK) »
That's true, I didn't think of that! One thing I know is that Robert and Isabella Forster are definitely George's aunt and uncle (George named one of his sons John Forster Donkin, unless a coincidence), therefore his father, William, is Isabella's brother. But he has never been married, as it says on the censuses...
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