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Offline ellenbrora

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Re: A Scottish Policeman?
« Reply #9 on: Monday 07 November 16 19:50 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Monica.

It's looking increasingly likely that whoever the chappie in the photo is, that he belonged to the Caithness Constabulary, and Wick Archive Centre do appear to hold records of same, so since I live in Brora, a wee trip north also looks likely :-)

However, since the family also have another relative who served in Glasgow, I can pass on the Lanarkshire info to them to do the research themselves :-)

Cheers

Ellen
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Re: A Scottish Policeman?
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 08 November 16 09:10 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Monica.

It's looking increasingly likely that whoever the chappie in the photo is, that he belonged to the Caithness Constabulary, and Wick Archive Centre do appear to hold records of same, so since I live in Brora, a wee trip north also looks likely :-)

However, since the family also have another relative who served in Glasgow, I can pass on the Lanarkshire info to them to do the research themselves :-)

Cheers

Ellen
Very handy! Glad there does seem to be something in Wick, so hopefully you'll be able to find out more when you visit.

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Re: A Scottish Policeman?
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 08 November 16 10:53 GMT (UK) »
The badge & motto are for Sinclair so deffo Caithness.

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Re: A Scottish Policeman?
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 08 November 16 13:17 GMT (UK) »
Hello,
     This may be your James Sutherland listed on the WW1 Medal Roll Index Cards 1914-1918.
   Pte. James P Sutherland. R. Fus. Reg. No: GS/81599.
   Awards: Victory Medal & British War Medal. Roll: TP/104 B31. Page:3887.
     A little more information on the WW1 Service Medal & Award Rolls 1914-1920.
   Pte. James Patrick Sutherland. 26/Royal Fusiliers (City of London Regiment) Reg. No:GS/81599.
   Theatre of War: 1(a). 1/4/1918 - 11/3/1919.
   Awards: British War Medal & Victory Medal.
     Not sure what the 1(a) for Theatre of War means or whether the date 1/4/1918 is his enlistment date.

     Regards,     Dod.

Added. Code 1(a) may mean he disembarked in France on 1/4/1918. Lots of Rootschatters know a lot more about WW1 & Army Codes & will gladly help.
     
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Re: A Scottish Policeman?
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 09 November 16 21:47 GMT (UK) »
The officer is definitely wearing police uniform, and the cap badge of the Caithness-shire Constabulary, but I can find NO record of any James P Sutherland having served in that force. Given the presence of medal ribbons, I reckon the photo relates to just post-WW1, when there was very little recruitment of regular officers. Number 14 would have (from his appointment date in 1920) been worn by PC Donald Beaton Cormack who went on to become an Inspector. It seems to be only after 1919 that officers were allocated a permanent number - seems as though numbers were changed before then to reflect seniority of service, and thus not recorded on official personnel records before then. From photos of the time, the number of the collar was usually prefixed by a letter "C" which is not apparent in the photo, so I wonder if the chap in the photo was actually a SPECIAL Constable - no records known to exist of these - in view of the mention that the Mr Sutherland was a printer to trade. So it could well have been him as a Special Constable (part-time unpaid auxiliary officer).
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Re: A Scottish Policeman?
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 09 November 16 21:50 GMT (UK) »
Dave, I thought of you the other day when I saw this post  ::) Great that you saw it :)

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Re: A Scottish Policeman?
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 09 November 16 21:51 GMT (UK) »
Dave, I thought of you the other day when I saw this post  ::) Great that you saw it :)

Monica

I received a "tip-off"  :)
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Re: A Scottish Policeman?
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 12 November 16 13:16 GMT (UK) »
Dave

Many thanks for that. My apologies for not acknowledging earlier, but I did not receive a notification of your posting.

I am with you in thinking that James may have been a Special. Now to try again to find a military record for him.

Thanks again.

Ellen
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Re: A Scottish Policeman?
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 12 November 16 13:24 GMT (UK) »
Dod

My apologies, I have just noticed your post also! Thanks so much for that. I'll have a proper look at it all now.

Ellen
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