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Re: decipher 1851 Irish Census for Mayo
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 30 November 16 02:38 GMT (UK) »
Ballindoo or Doocastle was a townland in Costello Barony, in the civil Parish of Kilturra and the Poor Law Union of Swinford. (List of Townlands in Mayo, Wikipedia). I don't know about Lughoon. I tried variations of spelling but nothing matched. I thought it may have been Lough****.
Is the document connected with a pension application? As Irish birth registration only began in 1860s, people who were born before then had to prove their age some other way when applying for a pension, e.g. if they were on 1841 or '51 Irish census. Applicants had to remember where they were at the time of the census, which may have been 50 or 60 years previously, perhaps when they were children. They might have emigrated since;  other family members may have been dead or abroad, so it's not surprising they couldn't remember every detail. Add to that, loss of Census records.

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Re: decipher 1851 Irish Census for Mayo
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 30 November 16 08:38 GMT (UK) »
There is a townland called Lugdoon in County Sligo- about 25 miles from Doocastle-
https://www.townlands.ie/sligo/tireragh/templeboy/templeboy-north/lugdoon/
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Re: decipher 1851 Irish Census for Mayo
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 30 November 16 10:45 GMT (UK) »
There were indeed Mayes in Doocastle (and still there in the 1901 and 1911 Ireland censuses), but for the moment, just to focus in specifically on the applicant's name and address in the application form completed in 1917.  At the link below, a child's story talks about their home district being 'Rathbane', in 'the parish of Bunninadden' belonging to 'the barony of borran' (note 'child's' - some licence on accuracy required):

http://www.duchas.ie/en/cbes/4701757/4699933/4726642

This is clarified by the location (townland) Rathbaun North (down the side of that webpage) which is in Kilturra Civil Parish, barony of Corran.  Bunninadden (and variant spellings) is easily found on google maps.  Also see here:

http://achonrydiocese.org/parishes/sligo/bunninadden/

Here it was as well in the OSI 6" mapping series, by panning southeast a short distance, one will quickly see Rathbaun North:

http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,560408,811655,10,7

BTW, just to note, this is relatively close to the Mayo-Sligo county border and Doocastle isn't far to the south.  To cut to the chase, there is a possibility that the 1917 application form reads across to this man in the 1901 and 1911 censuses:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Sligo/Kilturra/Rathbaun_North/1689055/
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Sligo/Kilturra/Rathbaun_North/773826/


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Re: decipher 1851 Irish Census for Mayo
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 30 November 16 10:58 GMT (UK) »
Taking into account the details of the children in the above census returns (ie. by finding likely births) leads one to this possibility for the couple, Pat and Peggy? (Margaret) Maye, both of 'Rhabane', who got married in Bunninadden RC Church in 1883, Patrick's father was recorded as 'Pat. Maye Deceased':

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1884/10895/5979529.pdf   


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Re: decipher 1851 Irish Census for Mayo
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 30 November 16 11:27 GMT (UK) »
Patrick Maye's birth year, taking into account the census returns and 1883 marriage record (age 31?), seems to be in the range 1845-1852, however this could be well out.  Just to note this as a possibility, the baptism of a Patrick Maye in Ballysodare and Kilvarnet RC parish registers, it occurred on 2 July 1842, the address was Rathbane, the parents were Patrick Maye and Mary He? (Hevers?), the sponsors were John Maye and Attracta Maye (left page, 2nd entry up from bottom):

http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632300#page/4/mode/1up

Regarding possibilities for the surname of 'Mary He?', a Patrick May married a Margaret Hever on 15 February 1836 (Emlefad and Kilmorgan RC parish registers, left page, 2nd entry up from bottom):

http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632303#page/40/mode/1up


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Re: decipher 1851 Irish Census for Mayo
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 30 November 16 11:55 GMT (UK) »
HOWEVER, there is another possibility very nearby, in the form of a marriage in 1846 in Kilshalvey RC parish between Pat May and Mary Tivnan (right page, 12 lines up from bottom):

http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632311#page/27/mode/1up

While I can't see a Patrick baptised for this couple (perhaps not available online), I'm wondering about the similarity of 'Timlin' on the 1917 application form and 'Tivnan'.


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Re: decipher 1851 Irish Census for Mayo
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 30 November 16 13:17 GMT (UK) »
Hallmark,

Yes FW read it and thats who i meant could have read it wrong?

Sinann,

Many thanks i did not know Mary's were called May

She was reading what was written on his Application!

It obviously doesn't exist which is why they are looking for correct information.