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Re: Medical Qualifications M.R.C.S.E. 1813 and L.A.C. 1835
« Reply #9 on: Monday 05 December 16 20:00 GMT (UK) »
Pretty sure it's RCS England. I hold a qualification from the Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh and the last part has always been styled RCSEd.

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Re: Medical Qualifications M.R.C.S.E. 1813 and L.A.C. 1835
« Reply #10 on: Monday 05 December 16 20:05 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Anydogsbody.

You may well be right, but I feel the essential item is the confirmation that he qualified MD at Edinburgh, so establishing a definite link with Scotland.
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Re: Medical Qualifications M.R.C.S.E. 1813 and L.A.C. 1835
« Reply #11 on: Monday 05 December 16 20:46 GMT (UK) »
Same answer as Anydogsbody but with no (d)

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/MRCSE

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Re: Medical Qualifications M.R.C.S.E. 1813 and L.A.C. 1835
« Reply #12 on: Monday 05 December 16 22:18 GMT (UK) »
My great grandfather also held qualifications from the Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh and I was able to obtain details from the archivist. If you want to pursue this you could contact the RCSEd at Surgeons Hall , Nicolson Street, Edinburgh.


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Re: Medical Qualifications M.R.C.S.E. 1813 and L.A.C. 1835
« Reply #13 on: Monday 05 December 16 22:48 GMT (UK) »
Thanks barryd and Anydogsbody.

I'll write to Surgeons' Hall Museum at Edinburgh right now.
https://museum.rcsed.ac.uk/
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Re: Medical Qualifications M.R.C.S.E. 1813 and L.A.C. 1835
« Reply #14 on: Monday 05 December 16 23:49 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the update and for posting the Apothecaries' Society record.

As you say, there are clear Scottish connections -- the document shows he was apprenticed in Montrose N.B. (= North Britain = Scotland). But it is quite possible that even though he was registered for the M.D. at Edinburgh they will not have his place of birth. The degree of M.D. is not a first qualification, and it did not require continuous residence at the institution.

If the line of enquiry with Edinburgh fails, the ship's musters for HMS Blonde, Asia or Dryad should give his place of birth. He appears to have served on Asia in 1828, according to an abstract of the surgeon's journal for HMS Dryad ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14587555.

Royal Navy ships' musters for these dates are held at the National Archives in series ADM 37. They are not online at present, so you would need to have a researcher access them on your behalf. This one could be a starting-point, as it apparently covers the date referenced in the Dryad surgeon's journal above ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C783061

Just another possible line of enquiry.

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Re: Medical Qualifications M.R.C.S.E. 1813 and L.A.C. 1835
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 06 December 16 01:45 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Bookbox, that's all very helpful.

I hadn't come across the NB = North Britain before, so it all helps.

The surgeon's record is also helpful and gives an exact date for his time on the Asia, so I'll definitely follow up on that. I see I can get a 'page check' for 8P.24, so I guess that's the next step.
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Re: Medical Qualifications M.R.C.S.E. 1813 and L.A.C. 1835
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 10 December 16 02:46 GMT (UK) »
Hello Rootschatters, I'm afraid we have a problem!!  :-\  :'(
Just when I thought we were making some good progress!

There were two David surgeons practicing in London at the same time, one Burn and the other Burnes, as shown on this listing from the London Medical Directory of 1845. (see below).

The really confusing thing is the second individual in the Directory, David Burn, is shown with the qualification L.A.C. June 25, 1835, and later LSA 1835, yet the record from the Apothecaries Hall (reply#9) shows this qualification was given to David Burnes on exactly that date. 

I have had this reply from the University of Edinburgh.
A David Burnes is listed in our volume ‘ A List of the Graduates of Medicine in Edinburgh University’ as graduating in 1830 with an MD. There is a brief entry in our matriculation index stating these details also, plus  his thesis title – ‘De Febre Mediterranica’ , and that he practised in London, and died at Montrose, Angus. Unfortunately we probably will not have further information to provide, as our original volumes ‘ Graduates in Medicine ‘ do not commence until 1833 [ they would provide details of the curriculum and grades achieved  ] . Also, our ‘ First Matriculation’ series doesn’t start until 1869, which would have given only just a few details, but would have included his date of birth.

I have confirmed that a David Burnes was born Montrose, Scotland 1806 and died there 1849 at age 43.

The David Burn ancestor I am trying to trace was born about  1785 and died Shadwell, England 18 Nov 1848.

The surgeon on HMS Asia in 1828 as reported by Bookbox (reply#15) is shown as David Burns, so at this stage could be either one.

I'll try and get some more details from Admiralty records at National Archives, but in the meantime I'd welcome any thoughts or suggestions on where to look next.
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Re: Medical Qualifications M.R.C.S.E. 1813 and L.A.C. 1835
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 10 December 16 10:07 GMT (UK) »
He died 18 Nov 1848 at Shadwell, and is buried at St Pauls, Shadwell.

What exactly does the death certificate give for his occupation?