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Re: Ellesmere - David Arthur Thomas born 1864
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 22 November 16 16:28 GMT (UK) »
And just to round it off

1841
Ellesmere
Thomas Lloyd 40 painter Y
Sarah 45 N
Edward 15 artist Y
Emma 15 Y
Ann 13 Y
Elizabeth 4 Y
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Ellesmere - David Arthur Thomas born 1864
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 22 November 16 16:41 GMT (UK) »

For Walter (son of Edward & Elizabeth), my cousin gave me a document with birth dates of 1858, 1860, and 1861.  The more exact information: that he was born 1858 last quarter, record from Sup. registrar's District of Ellesmere, Vol 6a, Page 651. I have seen the index, have not ordered the image.

OK - 1858 makes sense.  So we have got the right family!

Now we have found the right family on a census as a starting point, remind me what we are looking for?

Yes, the children and their ages seem to check Ok with the rough DOB I have, and the 1858 DOB for Walter fits both Census ages for him, and his wife. The more precise DOB, 5 Dec 1861 (of the 3 that I have !!) may be that of another Walter who was born in Ellesmere.

So that has clarified that the family is correct. I will need to check further details for all of Walter's siblings, but haven't got far with David A. (Arthur) Thomas, whose grave I'm pretty sure is the new one in Ellesmere Cemetery with ages and death dates of David Arthur, wife Annie, and both daughters (the latter, aged 78 and 80 years).

In particular, I would like to know more about the family of David A., and those two daughters, because of anecdotal information from my father when he and my mother visited Ellesmere in ? mid-1980s and were entertained by "two elderly aunts", one of whom arrived on a motor bike / scooter.

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Re: Ellesmere - David Arthur Thomas born 1864
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 22 November 16 16:46 GMT (UK) »
1881 brings more confirmation that the Lloyd marriage was the right one (you may already have this and thus have seen the Lloyd in-law)

1881
Church Street Ellesmere
Edward 45 picture framer bn Montgomeryshire
Elizabeth 48
Walter 21
Arthur 17
Henry 15
Alfred 13
Marian 12
Wilton 10
Albert 8
Emma Lloyd sister in law 60 unm

All bn Ellesmere apart from Edward
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Ellesmere - David Arthur Thomas born 1864
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 22 November 16 16:50 GMT (UK) »
We aren't allowed to do 1911 look ups, but the index suggests a very definite candidate for your David, because it gives his middle name to confirm we are looking at the right person. Well worth a look at the entry

Here is 1901
Church Street Ellesmere
David A Thomas 35 timber merchant bn Ellesmere
Annie 37 bn Herts Ashridge
MArion L 5
Bertha A 3     children bn Ellesmere

though I see you already have these daughters names. And presumably they are matching the names on the gravestone. 
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Ellesmere - David Arthur Thomas born 1864
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 22 November 16 16:57 GMT (UK) »
Probate index entry

MArion Louisa Thomas of THe Lilacs 30 Wharf Road Ellesmere Salop died 25th Oct 1976 Probate Newcastle upon Tyne Jan 1977

Death
Oct/Nov/Dec 1976
Oswestry Registration District
ref 30 0159
Marion Louisa Thomas
age 80
dob 7th Jan 1896

Not spotting Bertha's death
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Ellesmere - David Arthur Thomas born 1864
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 22 November 16 17:00 GMT (UK) »
That's really helpful, @lizdb - probably as far as it can be taken with the 1911 limitation (privacy I guess, as here).
Family gossip has it that the house at Church St, which was for sale in 2014 (I met the new owner in May this year) had Thomas family occupants for 2 or 3 generations. Interesting that David A. and family lived there, at least up until 1901 census.

Thank you for your on-the-spot researching! You must be a professional genealogist? 

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Re: Ellesmere - David Arthur Thomas born 1864
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 22 November 16 17:02 GMT (UK) »
No - just been doing it for over 30 years!

You can look at the 1911 census - it is just that we are not allowed to do look ups for other people and post the results on here for copyright reasons.
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Ellesmere - David Arthur Thomas born 1864
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 22 November 16 17:04 GMT (UK) »
Marion and Bertha: I have some info from my photo of the shared gravestone.

Am I allowed to post that? Maybe someone is interested.


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Re: Ellesmere - David Arthur Thomas born 1864
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 22 November 16 17:06 GMT (UK) »
David had left Church Street by his death:

Probate index entry:
David Arthur Thomas of Wharf Road Ellesmere died 27 Sept 1952  Probate to George Morgan retired station master and Frederic Crampton Pym solicitor

Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk