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Re: Morland Family - Fulham area 1820s
« Reply #45 on: Sunday 13 August 17 00:09 BST (UK) »
All theories welcome ..... the date "inscribed" on the backing slate could be 1843 or 1848 ...my best guess is 1843 but it could have been "inscribed" much later. We could have enough material here for a mini-series ...I will certainly get the death cert for JM 1845 ...whether it is the right JM remains to be seen ...watch this space !
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Morland family - Leyburn, Wensley (Yorkshire) , Soho (London) , Fulham/Parsons Green (Middlesex).
Limpus family - Fulham/Putney (Middlesex) - Ragless and Penfold families (West Sussex)

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Re: Morland Family - Fulham area 1820s
« Reply #46 on: Thursday 31 August 17 10:59 BST (UK) »
Latest update - copy of John Morland 1845 death certificate obtained...details are :


Date of death 24 July 1845
Place Fulham Fields
John Moreland (spelt with an "e")
Age 70
Occupation CARPENTER
cause of death Gout
Informant - Rebekah Frances, present at the death, residence Fulham Fields.

As far as I can see "Fulham Fields" is a generic district...I cannot pin down any more detailed location. Rebekah Frances seems to have been a nurse (at least from 1851 census information, although the name spelling is slightly different).

So - we still have the anomaly of the 1843 and 1844 Sailor and Mariner occupation details, from his daughters' marriage certificates and the "mariner's widow" reference on his wife's death cert in 1866. Otherwise the occupation thread, gleaned from baptism and census information goes :

1817 "Gent"         (baptism record)
1820 Carpenter    (baptism record)
1822 Carpenter    (baptism record)
1841 Upholsterer  (Census)
1845 Carpenter     (Death cert)

I really cannot make sense of it ......I cannot see any way that the John Morland who baptised Ann Selina and Margaret Elizabeth can be a different person from the father of both of them at the time of their marriages ... so where did the sailor and mariner come from ??????
Looking at dates - born in 1775, married in 1815, first child baptised 1817 (when JM was 42) I suppose it might be possible that he was a sailor/mariner before his marriage (my original family tree compiler used the expression (JM) "was for many years a sailor ...then upholsterer.." but I don't know on what evidence he based that sequence of occupation events .....a sequence which cannot apparently be supported from what I have now uncovered).  Why, however, his daughters (and widow, or at least her death informant, who was, I think, a niece of Ann Selina Morland's husband John Limpus) would have preferred "sailor" or "mariner" as his occupation rather than "carpenter" is strange.......incidentally his widow, Sarah Ann, was listed as "late dressmaker" in the 1851 census and "alms woman" in the 1861 census ...never as "mariner's widow"....or even "carpenter's widow"
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Morland family - Leyburn, Wensley (Yorkshire) , Soho (London) , Fulham/Parsons Green (Middlesex).
Limpus family - Fulham/Putney (Middlesex) - Ragless and Penfold families (West Sussex)

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Re: Morland Family - Fulham area 1820s
« Reply #47 on: Thursday 31 August 17 17:22 BST (UK) »
Thanks for letting us know what was on the death certificate.  It does at least prove you have the right man.

As for the various occupations   ???