Were Fanny Bramley's parents related?

[Phil Goater]

Fanny Bramley b.1867 Hucknall Torkard appears to have been the daughter of William Bramley who married Maria Bramley in 1862. The question is whether her parents were cousins and, if so, then of what degree? Help please!

Phil

[lizdb]

Isnt it a case of basic research, going one step at a time?

Have you got them on the censuses after marriage 1871/81 etc

That will give you an approx. year of birth and place of birth for each.

Then hopefully earlier censuses/birth record/baptism will give parents of each. Then work back from them to see if/how related.

Shout if you get stuck, but more fun for you if you research them yourself.

[lizdb]

There is also the possibility that Maria wasn't a Bramley by birth, but was a widow who had previously been married to a Bramley who may (or ma not) have been related to William.   Thus no blood relation to each other

[groom]

From the GRO site


BRAMLEY, FANNY       STRAW     
GRO Reference: 1867  M Quarter in BASFORD  Volume 07B  Page 110

So her mother's maiden name was Straw.

[groom]

Something odd about the 1871 census as William is given as 39 and Maria as 38 but there are also two people aged 24 and 21 given as son and daughter, but if William and Maria's age is correct it probably isn't right.  It is dittoed that these two are married, it could be that they are Fanny's parents rather than William and Maria?

[groom]

There is this set of marriages.

Marriages Jun 1865 
 
Bramley    William           
Eaton    Dinah       
North    William        
Shaw    Hannah        
Straw    Hannah      

Basford    7b   165

You need to work backwards and find the Bramley family earlier.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

1871 - William says he's 39, yet has a 24 yr old daughter Hannah b Blidworth, plus Charles aged 21, and George, 14 as well as Fanny aged 3. i can't see a Hannah b Blidworth n earlier censuses to fit.

1861 has these households side by side in Hucknall

Ellen Bramley    70
Maria Bramley    28 - daughter, unmarried
Charles Bramley    11 - grandson
Henry Bramley       8  - grandson
George Bramley    4  - grandson
Dhannah Bramley    1 - granddaughter


William Bramley    48 - licensed hawker b Hucknall
Elizabeth Bramley    50 - seamer b Barton
Thomas Bramley    12 - b Leicester
Sarah Ann Bramley    10 - b Blidworth

Ref for both: RG 9, 2442, 13, 17


There are births for Henry, George and young Hannah in Basford - no mmn noted (a dash - understand this can mean mmn same as child's)

[groom]

William says he's 39, yet has a 24 yr old daughter Hannah b Blidworth, plus Charles aged 21,

Does it look as if their status is given as married to you, Mabel? If so, I wonder if Hannah is married to Charles. I think the only way to be sure of Fanny's parentage would be to get her birth certificate, as the GRO gives her mother's name as Straw.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

So - William and Elizabeth next door are stil together in 1871, with sarah Ann, and his mother Ellen.

1851 shows Maria is definitely Ellen's daughter, and Charles b c1850 is with her (and an older George). So think there is a Bramley/Bramley marriage - but where her William is I;m not sure

Yes looking again at 1861 hannah and charles could be marred - but it seems odd Hannah the d in law is before the son (and hannah Straw appears to marry a william, not a Charles)