Were Fanny Bramley's parents related?

[Phil Goater]

My primary aim is to trace the ancestors of Fanny. It would appear that the Gro records clearly show that her mother's maiden name was Shaw, presumably the Hannah Shaw shown as marrying William in 1865. The quandary is how Fanny fits into the household of William and Maria in 1871 and why Hannah is not classed as a daughter-in-law. I think you can appreciate why I need help! I'm thinking that Charles and George may be the illegitimate children of Maria. I'm also beginning to think that William practised polygamy!! Any further help much appreciated!

Phil

[Annette7]

William Bramley married Maria Bramley 25/11/1862 Hucknall Torkard

Fanny Bramley bp.13/9/1868 Hucknall, dau. of William and Maria.

Both events on FindMyPast.

The William Bramley/Hannah Straw marriage details not available online BUT I noted a Sarah Ann birth with mmn Straw in 1865 plus a Tom mmn Straw in 1870 so decided to look for them on 1871 Census which revealed:

1871 - Ilkeston, Derbyshire (ref.RG11 - Piece 3482, Folio 67, Page 54)

William Bramley   50     Contractor    born Ilkeston, Derbyshire
Hannah Bramley 29                                    ditto
Sarah An. 5                                               ditto
Fanny Bramley 4                              ditto
Tom Bramley 1                                          ditto

Basford is also the registration district for Ilkeston too and the above shows that William/Hannah (nee Straw) did indeed have a daughter Fanny so the birth entry found on GRO is indeed their child.

There is only one birth registered as Fanny and it looks like 'your' Fanny was actually registered as Frances Bramley in Dec.qtr. 1867 Basford - mmn Bramley.

Problem solved.

Annette               

[Annette7]

Maria Bramley herself was bp.3/12/1832 Hucknall Torkard, dau. of James and Helen.

She had the following illegitimate children:

Charles bp.3/3/1850
Henry bp.8/3/1853
George ca.1857 (can't trace baptism)
Hannah bp.21/10/1861

The 1871 census shows that Hannah 24 and Charles 21 are both married and Hannah should be shown as dau. in law - she was born Blidworth and the following marriage took place:

Charles Bramley married Hannah Elsom 23/1/1871 Blidworth

The couple are together on 1881 census which confirms things.

William Bramley bp.14/9/1834 Basford, son of George and Frances (dau. no doubt named after his mother).   In 1841 with his family at Basford and his mother also shown as Fanny!

Annette

[Annie65115]

These are all the baptisms listed on the FHS disc to Maria Bramley, no father named, all at Hucknall Torkard  St Mary Magdalene (note though that some of these are dated well after William and Maria's marriage)

1850 03 03      Charles         Maria   BRAMLEY   Spinster      
1853 03 08      Henry         Maria   BRAMLEY   Spinster      
1861 10 21      Hannah         Maria   BRAMLEY   Spinster      
1876 04 23      Anna                 Maria   BRAMLEY         
1878 09 03      Ann                 Maria   BRAMLEY   Singlewoman      

[Annette7]

Don't think the last 2 baptisms to a single Maria 1876 and 1878 are the Maria married to William Bramley - they are still together in 1881.

Annette

[Phil Goater]

Many thanks Annette and Annie. It now looks then, if I've got this right,  that 'my' Fanny was in fact Frances and was in fact the daughter of Maria and William after all. I can't stop at present to try and get my head round anymore - but thank you for unravelling it all and making sense of it.

Thanks again,
Phil