Tyrone Birth Records

[aghadowey]

Thomas Graham (c1853-7 Aug.1938), son of John, m.(29 July 1881) Isabella Archer
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Drumaspil/Annaghbeg/1735952
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Drumaspil/Annaghbeg/864937
Grimes otherwise Graham Thomas of Armaghbeg Tamnamore P.O. Moy county Tyrone farmer died 7 August 1938 Probate Londonderry 13 March to Nelson Connelly farmer. Effects £93.
1. Jane Graham (27 May 1882) m.(16 Aug.1911) Robert Robinson
     Birth (Grahame) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1882/02786/2022734.pdf
     Marriage https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1911/09955/5619517.pdf
   1. Robert Robinson (16 Dec.1912)
        https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01476/1601238.pdf
   2. Rebecca Elizabeth Robinson (25 Dec.1914 Mullinahill, Armagh dist.)
        https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01389/1571220.pdf
2. Mary Anne Graham (31 Dec.1884-aft.1911)
     Birth https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02662/1981213.pdf
3. William John Graham (25 Sept.1886-13 Nov.1963)
     Graham, William John of Annaghbeg Tamnamore Dungannon county Tyrone retired farmer died 13 November 1963 Probate Londonderry 1 January to John Cardwell labourer. Effects £1013.
4. Susan Graham (16 Feb.1889) m.(1 Nov.1911) William Hobson
     Birth https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02489/1923463.pdf
     www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Moy/Grange/863021
     marriage (note: witnesses are Archers)  https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1911/09964/5622836.pdf
     1. Violet Elizabeth Hobson (24 Mar.1912)
        https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01495/1607910.pdf
     2. William James Hobson (10 Feb.1914)
        https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01425/1584825.pdf
5. Elizabeth Graham (24 Mar.1892) m.(2 Jan.1918) Thomas Willis
     Birth https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1892/02351/1878774.pdf
     marriage https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1918/09701/5518804.pdf
6. Isabella Graham (16 Aug.1894) m.(5 July 1916) Robert Stretton
     Birth https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02254/1847852.pdf
     marriage https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09785/5551798.pdf
7. Margaret Graham (20 July 1896) m.(9 July 1919) Thomas James McKittrick
     Birth https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02165/1820433.pdf
     Marriage https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1919/09681/5511352.pdf

[gaffy]

He may have been registered and/or indexed just as William.  There were several William Grahams born in County Tyrone around that era, do you have any indication of the father's forename or occupation?  Also, the census you mentioned indicated born c. 1883 in Donaghmore, do you have another source to say c. 1886?

You may have missed my post (above), can you clarify re. William John's year of birth and his father's details?

I have misgivings that the Annaghbeg William John Graham could be the wrong one, note this family in 1911 (edited: previously posted @ reply #22):

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Drumaspil/Annaghbeg/864937/

Edited to add: To make myself clear, it would mean that William John was duplicated in the 1911 Ireland and England censuses, not impossible, but enough grounds to question ...

Edited also to add:  There are several trees online indicating that 'your' William John Graham died in Staffordshire, England in 1962 - the usual health warning applies regarding the accuracy of such information - however, there is a reasonable, more local possibility for the death of the Annaghbeg William John Graham already posted @ reply #24, can you clarify any knowledge you have of where 'your' William John Graham died? 

[hiyamarra]

I have 2 references to his age but with huge discrepancies. His marriage record shows him 45 in 1907 so born 1862. The 1911 census gives his age as 28 so born in 1883. What convinces me its the same man is his wife's name in both cases, Aletta Gertrude Katrina Holtzhouzen, that's a petty unusual name. I also have William dying in Wolverhampton, 1st Qtr, 9b, 1162. There is a probate record online to Aletta Gertrude Graham. I also have her death in Wolverhampton 2nd Qtr, 9b, 910.
To be honest I have never searched for William's father yet.
My sticking point at this time is William's son Richard Clive Graham. I'm trying to find his birth and get a copy cert. There is a Richard Clive Graham on Family Search, born in Wolverhampton on 26th May 1926 1st Qtr, Volume 0771B, Page B75A. I have tried to order this cert but am told by GRO it doesn't exist. Sorry but that's about all I have

[KGarrad]

My sticking point at this time is William's son Richard Clive Graham. I'm trying to find his birth and get a copy cert. There is a Richard Clive Graham on Family Search, born in Wolverhampton on 26th May 1926 1st Qtr, Volume 0771B, Page B75A. I have tried to order this cert but am told by GRO it doesn't exist. Sorry but that's about all I have

Births in Wolverhampton, in 1926, will be volume 6b?

That reference looks to me like a more modern death registration reference?

ADDED: As i thought! Death in March qtr 2006.
The date of birth is quoted as 26th May 1926

[aghadowey]

Didn't get a chance to finish posting earlier but gaffy has already posted some of the same doubts I have about the Annaghbeg family. They were very easy to trace in available online records and there's every indication that William John Graham stayed in Ireland.

This is the 'birth' record you said was on Family Search which KGarrard has pointed out as being a death record-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV4Z-738C
Richard Clive Graham could have been born anywhere and the details on the death certificate may not be helpful in trying to trace his family in Ireland.

It's always best to give all the details you already have when asking for help as it saves us wasting time searching for information you already have or tracking the wrong people.

I have 2 references to his age but with huge discrepancies. His marriage record shows him 45 in 1907 so born 1862. The 1911 census gives his age as 28 so born in 1883. What convinces me its the same man is his wife's name in both cases, Aletta Gertrude Katrina Holtzhouzen, that's a petty unusual name. I also have William dying in Wolverhampton, 1st Qtr, 9b, 1162. There is a probate record online to Aletta Gertrude Graham. I also have her death in Wolverhampton 2nd Qtr, 9b, 910.
To be honest I have never searched for William's father yet.

Civil registration of births in Ireland started in 1864 so if William Graham was born before that date there will be no birth certificate. From what you've now posted it looks as though there's a good chance he might have been born before 1864.

[hiyamarra]

Sorry about that, I hadn't realised it was his death. So we have a date, but not a place. I guess after all the kind help here its still a sticking point.
Many thanks to all who kindly tried to help