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Re: Charters Family - Antrim
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 08 December 16 21:08 GMT (UK) »

... This sounds like a mother who really wasnt to get in touch with her children.


Yes, the notices ran from 9 December 1922 to 24 February 1923.


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Re: Charters Family - Antrim
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 08 December 16 21:42 GMT (UK) »

... Stuart (1912)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01494/1607638.pdf

Stuart's 1912 birth gives father's residence as Canada!

Added- marriage of William Kirkpatrick & Kathleen Charters (1904)- gives her father as dairyman-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01494/1607638.pdf ...


Marriage below (instead of previous birth re-pasted):

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1904/10205/5713749.pdf

Edited to add:  Reply #6 amended by aghadowey after this post to correct the link 


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Re: Charters Family - Antrim
« Reply #20 on: Friday 09 December 16 01:20 GMT (UK) »
I see by her marriage to Floyd Stephens she said she was a widow ? And gives her birth place as Canada ..not seeing anymore immigration records ..Aghadowey done brilliant job of information in Ireland
Rosie

Yes, I saw that as well. She was never married prior to that. I think that was more of a "I don't want to look like an unwed mother" type of thing as she was getting married for the first time with a child already. Different times for sure.

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Re: Charters Family - Antrim
« Reply #21 on: Friday 09 December 16 01:44 GMT (UK) »
In a word I am AMAZED at what all of you turned up in such a short period of time! I can't thank you enough! This will rock some of my relation for sure! It's going to take me some time to digest all of this! If anyone else finds anything please don't hold back!

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Re: Charters Family - Antrim
« Reply #22 on: Friday 09 December 16 02:05 GMT (UK) »
Children of William James Kirkpatrick & Kathleen/Kate Charters-
Robert Winslow (1905) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01765/1695042.pdf
William James (1907) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01701/1674763.pdf
Janetta (1908) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01658/1661346.pdf
Charlotte (1910) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01574/1634501.pdf
Stuart (1912)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01494/1607638.pdf

Stuart's 1912 birth gives father's residence as Canada!

Added- marriage of William Kirkpatrick & Kathleen Charters (1904)- gives her father as dairyman-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01494/1607638.pdf

Kathleen G. Kirkpatrick died 1950 Detroit, Michigan
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KFWP-7V9

Yes, the Kirpatricks (Kathleen Charters) are my great-grandmother's sister. They do live in Canada. Kathleen was the olderst child so she must have moved to Canada well before my GG left Ireland.

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Re: Charters Family - Antrim
« Reply #23 on: Friday 09 December 16 02:12 GMT (UK) »
Robert Charters, age 46, dairyman, died 10 Feb.1903 at 2 Mornington St., Belfast- daughter Kate was informant-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05673/4598233.pdf

So, did the story about parents get mixed up and was it the father who died and mother couldn't look after the children?

I had the same thought! It could be entirely possible!
 

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Re: Charters Family - Antrim
« Reply #24 on: Friday 09 December 16 02:45 GMT (UK) »
Birth certificate for Elizabeth Charters 18 June 1896, 31 Craigmore st., parents Robert & Mary (Glancey)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02164/1820179.pdf

The majority of the information I inherited from my Uncle Stephens about my "Grammy's" back story was on a handwritten envelope that she had listed the children her siblings had and also had:

Kilarney
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     Charters
      -----------
  Belfast


Clancey - (then a very hard to read word, which I think now must say "Mother"

(But the word "clancey" is very clear, so I assume that the "Glancey" stated above in the birth cert should really read "Clancey"

My Aunt Stephens also had written in some of the information "Lived in County Cork? ? ? ? ?"


 

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Re: Charters Family - Antrim
« Reply #25 on: Friday 09 December 16 02:59 GMT (UK) »
Robert Charters, age 46, dairyman, died 10 Feb.1903 at 2 Mornington St., Belfast- daughter Kate was informant-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05673/4598233.pdf

So, did the story about parents get mixed up and was it the father who died and mother couldn't look after the children?

This doesn't fit with the 1901 census information that lists him as being 60 here: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Windsor_Ward/Charlotte_Street/975083/

Now, it is very possible that his age is listed incorrectly. And he could have still died first when the children were young. It lists his occupation as "Clark" any idea what that might be? I assume it is a clerk.

BUT it also lists his and Mary's birthplace as County Longford! I hadn't noticed that earlier!

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Re: Charters Family - Antrim
« Reply #26 on: Friday 09 December 16 03:30 GMT (UK) »
I think I have found Robert Charters baptism info via the Rootsireland.ie site in Longford County. A 24 Oct 1840 birthdate fits the census numbers.

If you have the subscrption: http://longford.rootsireland.ie/view_detail.php?recordid=1355710&type=bch&recordCentre=longford&page=1

Shows his father was also Robert Charters with his mother Frances Charters. With my grandmother's sister being named Frances as well I take this as a good sign.