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Re: Charters Family - Antrim
« Reply #27 on: Friday 09 December 16 05:38 GMT (UK) »
William James Kirkpatrick (m. Kathleen Charters 1904) and Robert Hugh Kirkpatrick (m. Charlotte Charters 1914) were sons of Hugh Kirkpatrick and Catherine Such who married in 1882.

Robert Hugh b. 1890:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02445/1909357.pdf

William? b. 1883:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02752/2011066.pdf
 
Hugh (father James) Kirkpatrick and 'Kezia' (father Thomas) Such m. 1882:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1882/10964/8007840.pdf

Kirkpatrick family in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Cromac/Gosford_Street/969509/

Catherine (Such) Kirkpatrick died in 1904 and was buried in Belfast City Cemetery Public Ground:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1904/05621/4581190.pdf
https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=7791.34271

Kirkpatrick family in 1911:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/Kenbaan_Street/221728/

In the above 1901 & 1911 census returns, note the daughter Janetta Elizth / Jeanette Elizabeth Kirkpatrick in relation to reply #8 (where in the 1922 marriage to Robert Winslow Charters, the bride of that name gave her mother's name as Catherine Such). Here's her birth:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02153/1816556.pdf

A 23 year old Janet Kirkpatrick travelling with a 72 year old pensioner Hugh Kirkpatrick arrived on the Megantic from Liverpool to Quebec in May 1920, the associated arrivals form showed her forename as Janetta and said that she was going to her brother William Kirkpatrick in Mitchell, Ontario.   

So looks like the Kirkpatrick and Charters families intermarried through 3 siblings.


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Re: Charters Family - Antrim
« Reply #28 on: Friday 09 December 16 06:40 GMT (UK) »
The mystery about 'Warner' Kirkpatrick at reply #8 is solved:

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/136968/KIRKPATRICK,%20R

Private R Kirkpatrick died 1917: Son of Hugh Warner Kirkpatrick, of Belfast, Ireland; husband of Charlotte Kirkpatrick, of IO/3, Louis Avenue, Windsor, Ontario.

You will see several similar repetitions if you google 'Hugh Warner Kirkpatrick', also, there appears to be someone of that name in the card manifests of individuals entering through the Port of Detroit, Michigan, 1906-1954, it is associated with the name Hugh W. Simpson and I see a tree online owned by 'David Winther' (you?) with Simpsons on it, so I imagine you might recognise this connection (Charlotte remarried?).


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Re: Charters Family - Antrim
« Reply #29 on: Friday 09 December 16 07:02 GMT (UK) »
Now something speculative, a marriage in Belfast in 1917 between a George Smith and a Janetta Elizabeth Kirkpatrick of 10 Constance Street, the bride's father given as Hugh Kirkpatrick:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1917/09750/5538455.pdf

Intriguingly, the 1918 Belfast street directory shows the following entry for Constance Street: 10. Kirkpatrick, H. W. (possibly Hugh Warner?)

http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/ccomplete1918_b.htm

The 1920 Liverpool-Quebec passenger list and arrivals form (mentioned @ reply #27) was for Janet / Janetta Kirkpatrick and stated that she was single, so the 1917 marriage is perhaps just a co-incidence of names, just worth noting for now until it can be ruled in or out.


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Re: Charters Family - Antrim
« Reply #30 on: Friday 09 December 16 07:25 GMT (UK) »

... it is associated with the name Hugh W. Simpson and I see a tree online owned by 'David Winther' (you?) with Simpsons on it, so I imagine you might recognise this connection (Charlotte remarried?) ...


The online tree owned by 'David Winther' only shows the surname 'Simpson' for Charlotte's husband, no forename, so I'll post here the marriage of widow Charlotte Kirkpatrick to Albert John Simpson in 1920, her parents given as Robert Charters and Mary 'Gleacy' :
 
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-L1P4-9H7R?mode=g&i=191&cc=1784216


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Re: Charters Family - Antrim
« Reply #31 on: Friday 09 December 16 08:51 GMT (UK) »
Gravestone of Hugh W. Kirkpatrick and Janett E. Charters:

http://geneofun.on.ca/names/photo/789809?PHPSESSID=671963166f6b5010c5aed477617dfdf3

Edited to add: And these possibilities (there are other Charters in that cemetery who may be related, you can search the website)...

http://geneofun.on.ca/names/photo/789953?PHPSESSID=70dd5eb610455af004f7bbb050c9f9f2

http://www.geneofun.on.ca/names/photo/789803


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Re: Charters Family - Antrim
« Reply #32 on: Friday 09 December 16 10:08 GMT (UK) »
Tracing back to England wouldn't be something I'm strong at, I'm sure others are better placed to help, but I couldn't help but notice in the 1871 England census a 17 year old Kessia Such in Church Street, Swinton Yorkshire, born in Newcastle, parents Thomas Such, 42, a bricklayer and Matilda, 32, also siblings William T. Such and Tom A. Such, just a possibility for Hugh Kirkpatrick's wife.


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Re: Charters Family - Antrim
« Reply #33 on: Friday 09 December 16 12:17 GMT (UK) »
Since you wanted to know about Eliza Charters' life in Belfast I did a timeline to clarify a few things.

c1883 Kate Charters born
1 Dec.1885 Ann Charters born 15 Catherine St. North (father labourer, mother Glancey)
  1880- CATHERINE ST NO (Little May St to Henrietta St- nr intersection Hamilton St) 15. Twigg, Mary, boarding house keeper (1890 Wm Vance, coachbuilder)
15 Oct.1889 Fanny Charters born 17 Stanfield St. (father labourer, mother Glancey)
   1890- Stanfield St (Murphy St to Stewart St)  17. McCauley, David, labourer. Craigmore St (Bankmore St to Lindsay St) 8- Mrs Porter, 31- Margaret Potter.
5 Sept.1891 Charlotte Charters born 31 Craigmore St.(father labourer, mother Glancy)
11 July 1893 Ann Charters died 8? Craigmore St. (age 7)
12 Nov.1893 Ann Charters born 31 Craigmore St. (father labourer, mother Glancy)
11 Dec.1893 Annie Charters died 31 Craigmore St. (1 month)
18 June 1896 Elizabeth “Lizzie” Charters born 31 Craigmore St. (father labourer, mother Glancey)
14 Oct.1899 Robert Winslow “Bobbie” Charters born 19 Apsley St, (father clerk, mother Glancey)
   1901- Apsley St (Bankmore St to Donegall Pass) 17, 19. Vacant. Charters, Robt., clerk, 2 Holmes St (off Bruce St)
   31 Mar.1901 (census) Charlotte St.
10 Feb.1903 Robert Charters died at Mornington St (age 46?, dairyman)
12 July 1904 Kathleen Charters (dairymaid, 9 Clarence Pl., father dairyman) married William Kirkpatrick
25 Nov.1905 Robert Winslow Kirkpatrick born 31 Powerscourt St.
18 May 1907 William James Kirkpatrick born 17 Coyle’s Place
4 Aug.1907 William James Kirkpatrick died 17 Coyle’s Pl. (10 months)
16 June 1908 Janetta Kirkpatrick born 17 Coyle’s Place
4 June 1910 Charlotte Kirkpatrick born 27 Lake St.
   1911 census Mary Charters visitor Vernon St. (religion R.C.)
   1911 census William & Kathleen (Charters) Kirkpatrick at Vernon St.
   1911 census Robert Winslow Charters at Boys Home in Dublin

5 June 1912 Stuart Kirkpatrick born 50 Vernon St. (father Canada)
Oct.1912 Kathleen (Charters) Kirkpatrick & children to Ontario
13 Feb.1914 Robert Kirkpatrick married Charlotte Charters (mother Glancy)
1917 Robert Winslow Kirkpatrick died Ontario
24 Jan.1921 Charlotte (Charters) Kirkpatrick in Ontario, Elizabeth Charters to Detroit
Dec.1922/Feb.1923 Mrs. Mary Charters, 24 Henrietta St. Belfast, looking for children Kitty, Lizzie, Charlotte, Bobbie & Fanny last in Ontario c1911
30 Dec.1925 Mary Charters, 24 Henrietta St. Belfast, died City Hospital
1950 Kathleen Kirkpatrick died Detroit

You can see from the records that Mary's maiden name was Glancey (Glancy, etc.)

Marriage for Robert & Mary?
Birth for Kathleen?
George ‘Pottie’ and Agnes Atkinson buried Charters plot in City Cemetery
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Cromac/Silvergrove_Street/167038
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Re: Charters Family - Antrim
« Reply #34 on: Friday 09 December 16 14:40 GMT (UK) »
With the health warning that this is based on transcribed record, Kathleen / Kate was baptised as Catherine Charters on 21 January 1884 in St. Malachy's Belfast (RC), the date of birth given was 1 February 1883.  Ann, Francis and Charlotte Charters were also baptised in St. Malachy's, the latter 2 together when they were several years old (a comment was annotated to that effect).  So, a clear indication that the marriage of parents Robert Charters and Mary Glancy was a 'mixed' marriage. 

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Re: Charters Family - Antrim
« Reply #35 on: Friday 09 December 16 16:35 GMT (UK) »
Don't think this has been mentioned before but Fanny, Charlotte & Robert came to Canada as Home children.

8 May 1908 "Tunisian" arrived Montreal from Liverpool, England: Fanny Charters (17) & Charlotte (14) in a party under the care of Mrs. Merry going to Hespler, Ontario.
In 1911 census for Hibbert Twp, Perth South, Ontario, Fanny is a domestic in the household of Robert Graham (born Nov.1892 Ireland, to Canada 1908, Anglican).
She married 12 Mar.1921 to Stewart Ruttan.

12 May 1913 "Corsican" arrived Montreal from Liverpool, England (departed 3 May): Robert Charters (13) in conducted party under Mrs. Merry going to Hespeler, Ontario.

"group of 87 MacPherson children accompanied by Mrs. Merry and en route to Stratford or Hespeler, Ontario, Canada"
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