Baron

[robinislander]

Hello
I am trying to find a mystery woman! According to free BMD Frederick William Paine married Violet Rachel Baron in the Kingston Upon Thames District September Qtr 1908, and yes according to the census for 1911 she is listed at 24 London Road with the marriage has lasted two years. Her age is given as (about) 35 could be 55 and her place of birth as Wigan Lancs though part of this could have been crossed through.
I can find no mention of any Violet Baron in Wigan or any death of Violet Paine to confirm her age.
Any ideas would be appreciated.
Thanks
PS It is said the marriage was not a happy one!

[groom]

Her age is given as (about) 35 could be 55

If she was 33 or 53 when she married, the chances are that it could be a second marriage and therefore she wouldn't be born as Violet Baron.

[Bookbox]

I read her age as 35. There is a Rachel BARON born Wigan 1875 who would fit. Maybe she added the 'Violet' later?

It might pay you to access the 1939 Register for a Rachel PAINE in Wigan (FindMyPast). We can't do lookups in that resource.

As regards her death, if she was the Rachel BARON born as above, she might have remarried as Rachel PAINE in Portsmouth in March Quarter 1948, to Stanley William McAllister BAXTER. This Rachel BAXTER died 7 December 1960 in Portsmouth (from the probate calendar), aged 85. That would fit the 1875 birth of Rachel BARON in Wigan.

But it's a long shot, and it's all speculation without the 1908 marriage certificate. That should give you her father's name, which in turn should help locate her in a census before she married Frederick W. PAINE.

[lizdb]

Agree age is "about 35"

[Bookbox]

according to the census for 1911 she is listed at 24 London Road

Probate Calendar
PAINE Frederick William of 24 London-road Kingston-upon-Thames died 20 March 1945 Probate Llandudno 15 September to National Provincial Bank Limited and Ida Kate Moatt married woman. Effects £152630 19s. 1d.

Death
Mar Qtr 1945
PAINE Frederick W age 74
Surrey North East 2a 52

[groom]

Ida Kate Moatt was Ida Kate PAINE

She married Charles Ashley Moatt in 1909 in Farnham and they had a son in 1910

Moatt, Charles  Montague James  mmn    PAINE     
1910  J Quarter 
Fulham 
Volume 01A  Page 177    

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Ida Kate Moatt is nee Paine, b 1883, so presumably related to Frederick

Snap - by the way the marriage is in Fareham not Farnham

[groom]

Her death?

Ida Kate A Moatt
Birth Date:   7 Jul 1884
Death:   Jun 1969
Age at Death:   84
Yeovil Somerset
Volume:   7c
Page:   1628

[groom]

Ida Kate Paine
Birth Date:   8 Jul 1883
Baptism :   30 May 1886
Parish:   Cheam Common, St Philip, Surrey, England

Father:   Charles James Paine
Mother:   Mary Ann Paine