Joseph Steele 1907 - Possibly Illegitimate?

[josey]

Yes, I saw that birth and there's no mother's maiden name on GRO index. Looking quite good.

In 1901 Margaret was single with a daughter as well Ethel aged 5. There is a Harris Gill aged 23 born England in 1921 Canada census - immigrated 1911, same year as Joseph & Albert Steele RG 31; Folder Number: 16; Census Place: New Castle, Nanaimo, British Columbia; Page Number: 12 living NEXT DOOR to Thomas Steele & family. Maybe his surname was put as Steele on 1911 England census by mistake.

[sirsimon]

On the census, it states that they have had four children, that therefore would be Thomas, Martha, Elizabeth and Albert, Joseph doesn't seem to fit, unless of course they forgot to write 5 instead of four

[Geoff-E]

It looks like I'm right about Harris GILL anyway. He actually went to Canada and married there - he said his parents were the STEELEs.

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Aharris~%20%2Bsurname%3Agill~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1895-1901~

EDIT: I missed josey's post above. 

[josey]

It's usually me who crosses posts as I'm a slow typist 

[sirsimon]

Harris is Joseph and Elizabeth's adopted son according to the marriage record, so that's one mystery solved, for which I am grateful for you guys in solving

I think for the moment that we can go with the fact Joseph and Elizabeth are Joseph's parents, until something says otherwise

[josey]

On the census, it states that they have had four children, that therefore would be Thomas, Martha, Elizabeth and Albert, Joseph doesn't seem to fit, unless of course they forgot to write 5 instead of four

That to me is the strongest evidence for Joseph being either Martha's or Elizabeth's son. Not many people miscount their children  . Martha was married in 1910, perhaps Elizabeth stayed at home to look after him, whoever his mother was.

[Geoff-E]

Surely, if he was a grandson, he would have been registered as a STEELE, but there is no sign of that. 

[Meelystar]

What about Joseph Steele Murray?

Wigton 1907 q4 10b 577

Mothers maiden name is Steele

[josey]

Good find [your good at those, Geoff-E], will look for any further records.

ADDED: No Murray / Steele marriages in Cumberland that I can find 1885 - 1907. No further records yet for a Joseph Murray born 1907 with middle initial S.