Wills - help

[Airdriehunter]

Hi there everyone,
I found a will in Proni, record date April 1875 for a Arthur McGuigan, Newry, will states he died on 22nd January 1875. I need to find the death record but so far I can't seem to find it. I have tried a few combinations on proni but to no avail. What am I doing wrong? I thought all deaths were registered after 1864.
Thankyou

[whiteout7]

Ros Davies site:
"Arthur   McGUIGAN   .   Newry   husband of Maria; father of James; burying plot c. 1900 in St. Mary's Catholic graveyard   MIs"

Wondering if him being Catholic has any bearing on finding his death registration?

"Although civil registration of births, marriages and deaths began in 1864, records were not accurately kept for a number of years, so a cut-off date of 1880 was applied for the microfilming of registers." http://registers.nli.ie/about

[Airdriehunter]

Thanks a million I didn't know that about the proni records.  I have a possibilty that this Arthur could be an ancestor, I have a Maria McGuigan on proni wills which I know is definitely connected to my ancester line but confused on which Arthur it is, there were quite a few and it is going back so far now. I was hoping for the death cert so I could rule this Arthur out. Children's names on will are the same but my Arthur was a farmer in 1837 not a gentleman as will states unless circumstances changed. A lot of coincedences in that will are the same but could be a red herring.

[BallyaltikilliganG]

i couldnt resist checking for Arthur, you will know it all,  the census gave
James McGuigan m ~1883 Bridget XXXXXXX  family
1901  40 in Bridge Street (Newry West Urban, Down) children inc
McGuigan James 49 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Armagh Postman Read and write - Married -
McGuigan Bridget 36 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Armagh - Read and write -
children inc
McGuigan Arthur 2 {b~1899]Male Son Roman Catholic Co Down Infant Cannot - Not Married -
1911    3 in Dromalane Road (Newry West Urban, Down)
McGuigan James 59 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Armagh Postman Curl Servant Read and write - Married - - - -
McGuigan Bridget 48 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Armagh - Read and write - Married - 28 9 6
Read and write -
children inc
McGuigan Arthur Fras{ er}12{b~1899] Male Son Roman Catholic Co Armagh Scholar Read and write -

Arthur McGuigan m Norah M XXXXXXXXX
1901  34 in Panton Street (Falls, Antrim)
Mc Guigan Arthur 32[b~1869} Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Down Iron Moulder Read and write - Married -
Mc Guigan Thomas 1 Male Son Roman Catholic Belfast City -Mc Guigan Annie 28 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Down - Read and write - Married -
1911  39 in Cloghreagh (Mullaglass, Armagh)
McGuigan Arthur 42 [b~1869} Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Down Iron Moulder Read and write - Married - - - -
McGuigan Annie 39 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Down - Read and write - Married - 19 6 6
children 6 not including any Arthur

Peter McGuigan m~> 1873 Catherine XXXXX
1901   33 in Bavan (Drummullagh, Louth)
Mc Guigan Peter 55 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Louth Farmer and Fish Dealer Cannot read Irish and English Married -
Mc Guigan Catherine 51 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Louth - Read Irish and English Married -
children inc
Mc Guigan Arthur 28 [b ~1873 ]Male Son Roman Catholic Co Louth Fish Dealer Read and write Irish and English Not Married -
1911  14 in Bavin (Drummullagh, Louth)
McGuigan Arthur 40 {b~1871}Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Louth Farmer Read and write - Married - - - -
McGuigan Rose Anne M 20 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Louth - Read and write - Married -  - -
also Mc Ardle Mary 60 Female Aunt Roman Catholic Co Louth - Cannot read Irish and English Widow -

Peter McGuigan m ~>1879 M Ann XXXXXX
1901  25 in Cecil Street (Newry West Urban, Down)
Mc Guigan Peter 43 Male Head of Family R Catholic Co Down General Labourer Read and write - Married -
Mc Guigan M Ann 44 Female Wife R Catholic Co Down House Worker Neither -
children inc
Mc Guigan Arthur 8 [b ~1893]Male Son Catholic Co Down Scholler Read only - Not Married -
1911  42 in Cecil Street (Newry West Urban, Down)
McGuigan Peter 53 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Armagh Blacksmiths Helper Read and write -Widower - - 10 10
children inc
McGuigan Arthur 19 [b~1892]Male Son Roman Catholic Co Armagh Nursery Labourer Read and write - Single - - - -

Arthur McGuigan m Mary A McGuigan  although miles away included
1901     6 in Murlough Lower (Dundrum, Down)
McGuigan Arthur 72 [so b~1829 ] Male Lodger R C Co Down Pedlar Cannot read - Married
McGuigan Mary A 70 Female Lodger R C Co Down Pedlar Read and write - Married -
McAlister John 40 Male Lodger R C Co Down Labourer Cannot read - Not Married -
Lamb Adam 16 Male Lodger R C Co Down Message Boy Read only - Not Married -
Gracy Charles 70 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Down Farmer Cannot read - Married -
Gracy Margaret 70 Female Wife R C Co Down - Read only - Married
 
marriages https://www.ancestryireland.com/ with father names
MCGUIGAN ARTHUR 1857  Down Log in Register
MCGUIGAN ARTHUR 1857  Down Log in Register
MCGUIGAN ARTHUR 1860 JAMES Antrim Log in Register
MCGUIGAN ARTHUR 1892 PATRICK Down Log in Register
MCGUIGAN ARTHUR 1902 OWEN Down Log in Register
MCGUIGAN ARTHUR 1904 JAMES Antrim Log in Register
MCGUIGAN ARTHUR 1911 OWEN Antrim Log in Register
MCGUIGAN ARTHUR 1914 PETER Down
 
1796  Flaxgrowers of Ireland  http://www.failteromhat.com/flax/louth.php
M'Guiggan         Edward                       Mosstown             Louth

from familysearch.org
an Arthur Mcguigan
Event Type Death
Event Date 1873
Event Place Belfast, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year 1873
Registration District Belfast
Age 52
Birth Year (Estimated) 1821

from bagenals castle
Newry Town Agricultural Census 1803
Firstname   Surname   Location
Hugh   McGuigan   Lisnisk
Newry householders, British Parliamentary Papers
First name   Surname   No   Street   Town   Value   Date
Michael   McGuigan   15   King Street   Newry   8   1836
Householders' Index
Surname   County   Parish Name   Griffith Entries   Tithe Entries
MCGUIGAN   DOWN      CLONALLON   1         1
MCGUIGAN   ARMAGH      CREGGAN         0      1
MCGUIGAN   ARMAGH      KILLEVY (ORIOR UPPER)   2      1
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[aghadowey]

I think you are getting PRONI & GRONI mixed up. GRONI (General Registry Office of N.I.) have the vital records- births, marriages and deaths. Registration became compulsory in 1870.
PRONI (Public Records Office of N.I.) is a record repository and has Wills, etc.

The Will of Arthur M'Guigan late of Pound-row Newry County Armagh Gentleman deceased who died 22 January 1875 at same place was proved at Armagh by the oaths of Edward Byrne and Michael Byrne both of Newry Merchants the Executors. Proved in April 1875 so date of death should be fairly accurate.

Have you tried searching local papers for a death notice?

[Airdriehunter]

Thankyou aghadowey,
I actually do not know the difference between Groni and proni, I am researching online as not based in Ireland so I presumed that Groni was the online site. I found the will for Arthur McGuigan but tried to find a death corresponding with his death date on groni but nothing matches! His death was 1875 but no sign fo anything.  Thanks again and Happy new year.

[Airdriehunter]

Hi, the newspapers are definitely the next step in my research but I need to go to Newry, I did have a family member do a bit of research in Newry library that was very valuable to my research but can not expect them to keep going on my behalf. Anyway it is something I would like to do myself when I get some time. The Arthur I am looking for was born around 1815, he was father to my ggf Patrick McGuigan, he was a labourer and a clerk born 1837, the interest in the will was that the names including Arthur, Stephen, Peter, Thomas etc on will and the street area of Monaghan row the same as my family line of Mcguigan, also his wife being a Maria. Also on proni Wills a Maria  Mcguigan also had a will which is definitely my line but perhaps no connection to this Arthur. When you actually look at the name Arthur Mcguigan there are actually quite a few! Thanks again for your valuable information.

[aghadowey]

Before going to Newry it would be best to see what newspapers they actually do have on site. It might be that the ones you need are at the Newspaper Library next to Central Library in Belfast.
https://www.librariesni.org.uk/Services/Heritage/Pages/Newspaper-Library.aspx
https://www.librariesni.org.uk/Services/Heritage/Documents/Microfilm-list-for-Libraries-NI.pdf

[Airdriehunter]

Thanks for that information Aghadowey, I'll have a look at the links you have kindly provided.