Surname Edge changes to Hall

[juiceanca]

Hello everbody
I wonder if anybody could help me with a mystery i have in a family tree i am working on the surname i am researching is Edge who are from the Kingsley area in Staffordshire.
My problem is the Surname Edge keeps changing to Hall on various documents the latest i have is a marriage certificate in 1934 which states Harry Edge Hall which is using both but the lady i am doing the tree for her maiden name is Edge and she had never noticed a Hall added to her farthers marriage certificate.
Her father was Born Harry Edge B.1911 yet on his marriage he added Hall to his surname ? Maybe one time in a family tree is understandable but his father was Born John Harvey Edge 1871 Cheadle.
But on the 1911 Census he is only John Hall born 1872 with other known family members.
On his Marriage certificate in 1899 it states his name as John Harvey Edge.
On the 1901 Census He is only John Hall.
1891 Census John Hall.
1881 John H Hall.

His mother is using Mary Edge on 1901 census but on the 1911 Census she is using Hall.
Mary,s Husband James is using Hall on the 1891 Census.
1881 Census Hall.
1871 Census Edge.
1861 Census Hall.
On their Marriage certificate in 1856 he is using Edge.
1841 Census Hall.

So it runs all through the family back to births in 1800,s sometimes using Edge Surname and sometimes using Hall for Births.

Any ideas anybody im going crazy trying to figure out whats going on ?

many thanks for your time reading julian

[ciderdrinker]

Good Morning
The name change isn't the only thing weird about this family.
The 1856 marriage gives James Edge as a bachelor but the banns state he is a widower and yes he was married before under the name Edge in 1.8.1846 at Ipstones St Leonard  to Hannah Poyser a year younger than him at 22 .Both weddings give his father's name as George Edge.

Hannah buried at Kingsley 2.10.1850 as Edge age 25 so there's nothing iffy going on.

Baptism Kingsley 1.6.1823 as Hall James Hall s of George and Mary Hall at Blakely labourer.
Father George baptised at Kingsley as Edge 5.1.1794 to James and Hannah.
But was married as Hall to Mary Lownds 21.6.1818 at Kingsley

James's first marriage to Mary Cook at Kingsley  29.1.1778 has him as Edge alias Hall

James is on the 1841 census as Edge born Staffordshire age 93 so born 1747.

Now there are several  reasons for name changes-1 )he wants to hide from the police,authorities,wife but this goes on for generations so not that.
2) there is a illegitimate child who uses both his fathers and mothers surnames
3) a widow remarries and her children take on their step father's surname.

The one that looks most likely is no 2 but I haven't seen that be carried on more than two generations to the grandchildren and usually it forms a double barrelled surname.

I can't see a baptism for James 1747 but that's the only thing I can suggest.



Ciderdrinker

[juiceanca]

Good Morning
The name change isn't the only thing weird about this family.
The 1856 marriage gives James Edge as a bachelor but the banns state he is a widower and yes he was married before under the name Edge in 1.8.1846 at Ipstones St Leonard  to Hannah Poyser a year younger than him at 22 .Both weddings give his father's name as George Edge.

Hannah buried at Kingsley 2.10.1850 as Edge age 25 so there's nothing iffy going on.

Baptism Kingsley 1.6.1823 as Hall James Hall s of George and Mary Hall at Blakely labourer.
Father George baptised at Kingsley as Edge 5.1.1794 to James and Hannah.
But was married as Hall to Mary Lownds 21.6.1818 at Kingsley

James's first marriage to Mary Cook at Kingsley  29.1.1778 has him as Edge alias Hall

James is on the 1841 census as Edge born Staffordshire age 93 so born 1747.

Now there are several  reasons for name changes-1 )he wants to hide from the police,authorities,wife but this goes on for generations so not that.
2) there is a illegitimate child who uses both his fathers and mothers surnames
3) a widow remarries and her children take on their step father's surname.

The one that looks most likely is no 2 but I haven't seen that be carried on more than two generations to the grandchildren and usually it forms a double barrelled surname.

I can't see a baptism for James 1747 but that's the only thing I can suggest.



Ciderdrinker

Wow Ciderdrinker
im amazed at what you have found out ,Im truly very great full for all your hard work and research.
Where online can i view james edge marriage banners 1856 please i only have a subscription to ancestry.
Also i cant find his father baptism 5.1.1794 to james and Hannah on my searches ?? please help.

Im not doing very well where can i see james edge marriage to Mary cook 1778 alias Hall please ??

Im totally baffled with this family as swopping from Edge to Hall all through the generations all the way upto 1934 is amazing and id agree what you saying.

many thanks for all your time and patience

kind regards julian

i can send my email if you can help me

[ciderdrinker]

Hello Julian
I realise I haven't given you the full names and dates of siblings so I'd thought I'd go through the tree.

James and Mary Edge nee Cook
Children John 3.1.1779-10.3.1805
James 28.1.1780
William 23.5.1781
Thomas 23.6.1782
Mary buried 9.6.1783

with second wife Hannah
Edward 29.5.1785,Mary 24.6.1788,George 5.1.1794-27.12.1857(and his wife Mary 1794-11.7.1855),David 8.3.1797,Elizabeth 21.2.1799,Ann 26.9.1802 and John 11.8.1805.

James buried 30.5.1843 age 96 and Hannah doesn't seem to be there.

The Edges before that are the children of Joseph and Elizabeth Edge nee Townsend married 23.2.1715- Mary 28.4.1720,Dorothy 25.10.1722,Joseph 17.12.1724,Elizabeth 5.9.1727,Alice 12.2.1729,Olive 22.11.1731,Penelope? 20.2.1742 and son John.
And brother William and wife Ellen-children ,Thomas 24.1.1724,John 20.2.1725 and son William with second wife Sarah buried 16.2.1730.

The children are all about the right age to be James's parent in 1747 and I just can't spot a christening.

Merry Christmas
Ciderdrinker

[juiceanca]

Many thanks Ciderdrinker for all your help its much appreciated.

merry Christmas