DNA Land

[Victorian1897]

Hello!  I'm so glad to have found this forum.  I'm happy to be here.  This is my first post.

I'm wondering if anyone is familiar with DNA Land?  I'm waiting for my test results from Ancestry.com but I ran a family member's Ancestry results through DNA Land, and I have some questions about the results. 

It showed 100 percent European with 33 percent North Slavic, 33 percent Northwest European, and 34 percent South/Central European. 

The South Central read:  South/Central Europe - Italian/Bergamo, Italian/Tuscan and Toscani

Is this specific to the Lombardy/Tuscany and surrounding Northern Italian regions or does it include all of Italy and perhaps Germany and related countries?

Also, Northwest Europe includes Scottish, British, Norwegian and a couple others. But it didn't include Ireland.  Should Ireland be included?   

Also it mentioned France is not to be included with Northwest Europe but what about areas like Normandy, Lorraine, and Alsace?

Thank you in advance for any responses. 

[Ruskie]

Welcome to rootschat Victorian1897. 

I am not familiar with the site DNA Land, so I will leave any comments to others, but from my understanding, any DNA results cannot be narrowed down to specific areas such as Tuscany or Ireland, and the vague percentages you gave are probably about as good as you are going to get at this point in time.

I don't understand why Ireland and France would not be included in Western Europe, but someone with a better understanding of the subject may be able to enlighten us.

[hurworth]

I've only uploaded one kit there.

It was Northwest European 79%
South European 12% (off which Balkan 9.9% and Ambiguous 2.2%)
Southwest European 6.3%
Ambiguous West Eurasian 3%

I don't think their admixture tools are too flash.  Have you uploaded to Gedmatch and tried some of the admixture tools there?  They have several.

If you look at the accompanying map Ireland is orange along with the rest of Northwest Europe.  And the northern coast of France (including Normandy) is orange as well.

Alsace-Lorraine is hard to say - Northwest Europe, Southwestern Europe and Ambigous South European appear to converge in that area but the map is a little distorted.

[Victorian1897]

Welcome to rootschat Victorian1897. 

I am not familiar with the site DNA Land, so I will leave any comments to others, but from my understanding, any DNA results cannot be narrowed down to specific areas such as Tuscany or Ireland, and the vague percentages you gave are probably about as good as you are going to get at this point in time.

I don't understand why Ireland and France would not be included in Western Europe, but someone with a better understanding of the subject may be able to enlighten us.

Thank you for the welcome and your response, Ruskie!

You're probably right.  Just wish the tests were more specific.  In time, they will be.   

[Victorian1897]

I've only uploaded one kit there.

It was Northwest European 79%
South European 12% (off which Balkan 9.9% and Ambiguous 2.2%)
Southwest European 6.3%
Ambiguous West Eurasian 3%

I don't think their admixture tools are too flash.  Have you uploaded to Gedmatch and tried some of the admixture tools there?  They have several.

Thank you for responding, Hurworth.  No, I haven't tried Gedmatch.  I'll do that.  Thanks for the tip. 

[Victorian1897]

If you look at the accompanying map Ireland is orange along with the rest of Northwest Europe.

Right.  So is Northern France.  We ancestry from Normandy and Ireland. 

[Guy Etchells]

I would suggest forum users read the explanation blog written by Daniel Speyer, a Computer Science Masters student in Columbia University, and Yaniv Erlich (two of those connected with the DNA Land project).

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01j33/

A snippet is below.

"In some cases it gets a little more complicated. For example, we have fifty or so samples each from the English, Scottish, Orcadian, Icelandic and Norwegian peoples. The differences between those groups are small compared to the variation within them. Therefore, we cannot reliably tell them apart. We therefore group them into a category called “Northern European”."

Cheers
Guy

[ke]

I would suggest forum users read the explanation blog written by Daniel Speyer, a Computer Science Masters student in Columbia University, and Yaniv Erlich (two of those connected with the DNA Land project).

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01j33/

A snippet is below.

"In some cases it gets a little more complicated. For example, we have fifty or so samples each from the English, Scottish, Orcadian, Icelandic and Norwegian peoples. The differences between those groups are small compared to the variation within them. Therefore, we cannot reliably tell them apart. We therefore group them into a category called “Northern European”."

Cheers
Guy

Probably down to the shared Scandinavian ancestry, I match Swedish and Norwegians.