Rotherhithe District 17a page 58 and following

[sesd]

I know that William Hart and Catherine Leary Hart were living at 14 Prospect place, Rotherhithe in 1880 when their daughter Bertha was born and in 1882 when their son William Henry was born. So they should be there on the 1881 census. Right?

I couldn't find them through creative searching of indices on FamilySearch or Ancestry. I did find 14 Prospect Place on page 57 of Rotherhithe District 17a. There are 2 families at this address at the bottom of the page, but the page does not end with the usual / indicating end of family or // showing the end of the residence. So I expected more occupants on the next page.

However this is is page 57 of 57 on Ancestry. Rotherhithe District 17a just ends. (There are no more 14 Prospect Place entries on the 10 previous pages. I will check the other 47 pages in the district, but I suspect that the file is chopped off.)

On the header page there are additional streets listed after my street, but I have not seen them either.

Does anyone have access to more pages of this census district?

I don’t have access right now to any other UK census records. So for now my wall seems to be thoroughly bricked up.!

[Millmoor]

Hi

Doing a search for William Hart in 1881 I can see an entry born 1837 Suffolk at 14 Prospect Place Rotherhithe. He is showing as married but his wife not recorded as with him on census day. Occupation given as what looks like diver's signalman.

Search for William Hart b 1837 Suffolk  and living in Rotherhithe and you should find the entry to which I am referring.

William

[ShaunJ]

Explanation of Diver's Signalman from the 1921 census classifications

http://doot.spub.co.uk/term.php?c=989&l=54

[BumbleB]

We must be looking at difference Ancestry versions - RG11/581 folio 62, page 30. 

14 Prospect Place has only one occupant - William Hart, aged 44, born Laxted, Suffolk - married.  Image is 31 of 44.

[Millmoor]

 I also note that on the baptism record of William Henry Hart father William's occupation is given as signalman.

William

[sesd]

Thank you all.

I see that William was born in Saxstead, Suffolk. I have found him in 1861 & 1871 with another wife Susan Briggs and 3 other daughters.

There is also a William Hart born Saxstead in 1834 to William Hart and Mary Read.

I have not been able to find him before because based on the 4 children I knew about, I assumed he was about 20 years younger than he appears to have been.

Without that census record, I had no reason to look for him in the 1830's in Suffolk.

Now I just need to find his wife Catherine Leary.

[jonw65]

Bertha, possibly William, seem to be in the South Metropolitan School District establishments at Sutton in 1891.
Not sure if they are in the school records available online.
Anyway, looking at records of St Olave's Union
Register of Relations (presumably of those admitted to the workhouse)
admitted 11 Aug 1884
Hart Caroline, age 6
Hart Bertha
Where last Resident - 2 Prospect Place
Cause of seeking Relief - Destitute
Relation - Mother at 2 Prospect Place
Remarks - To Sutton 12 Aug 84

30th March 1885
Hart Caroline 6
Hart Bertha 4
Hart William 21/2
last resident 57 Paradise St Roth
Destitute
Relation - Mother, Caroline 57 Paradise St
To Sutton 16 June 85 (Caroline)
To Herne Bay 1 June 85 (Bertha)
To Sutton 5 May 85 (William)

There's more!
19th June 85
Hart Harriett, age 13
last resident 57 Paradise St Roth
Destitute
Relation - Mother Sarah H Leary 36 Queens Square Holborn
To Sutton 30 June 85

22 Dec 1885, Harriett Hart, 13, admitted from Sutton Schools
Taken by Mother 22/12/85

[jonw65]

More ins and outs in the next book
admitted 18 June 1886
Hart William
age 4
From Sutton Schools
Taken by Mother 18 June 86

11 Sept 1886
Hart William
age 4
last resident 20 Russell Scott Builds
Destitute
Mother Caroline 20 Russell Scott Buildings Cherry Garden Street
To Sutton 21 Sept 86

7 June 1886
Hart Harriet, age 15
Hart Louisa, age 2
last resident 53 West St
Destitute
Mother Caroline in Guys Hospital
Taken by Mother 11 Oct 87

29 January 1888
Hart Harriet, 15
from S. E. Hospital
Taken by Mother 29 Jan 88

6 March 1888
Hart Harriet, 15
last resident 5 Princes Road Bery.
Destitute
Mother Caroline in Tanner St W.H.
Discharged 9 Mar 88

29 March 1888
Hart Caroline, age 10
Hart Alice B., age 8
Hart William, age 6
From Sutton Schools
To Tottridge Orph. 31 Mar 88 (Caroline, Alice B)
To Mill Hill Orph. 31 Mar 88 (William)

17th September 1888
Hart Caroline, age 10, From Tottridge Orphanage
Hart Bertha A., age 7, From Tottridge Orphanage
Hart Wm Henry, age 5, From Mill Hill Orphanage
To Sutton 18 Sep 88

[jonw65]

Possibles in 1881?
piece 727 folio 70 pages 23 and 24
Greenwich Union Workhouse, Woolwich Road
Leary Catherine Inmate Unm 35? 38? Charwoman, born Rotherhithe
Leary Harriett Inmate 8 Scholar Rotherhithe
Leary Caroline Inmate 5 Scholar
(Leary) Alice Inmate 1

Alice hopefully being Bertha
John