Thomas Henry Ramskill

[Joyce C]

Hello

Researching the Ramskill families mainly of Castleford and Barnsley areas.

I have a Thomas Henry Ramskill whose birth was reg 4th quarter 1848, Sculcoates. Parents were John Ramskill and Mary Ann (nee Broadbent). As yet I haven't found his baptism though.

Also I have found on a well known pay to view site that begins with "A" a mention of a Thomas Henry Ramskill, bn 1849 in the West Yorkshire, England, Prison Records, 1801 - 1914 but as I do not have a subscription I am able to follow up on this record.

I wonder if anybody might have access to the contents of this record? Otherwise I think I have been able to trace Thomas through his life and his wife and children although at times it is quite confusing.

Any help much appreciated.

Many thanks

Bob

[groom]

According to West Yorkshire, England, Prison Records, he was accused at Barnsley on the 25th April 1888 of assaulting Harriet Smith. He was found guilty and imprisoned for 28 days or fined £3.2s 9d. I think he may have chosen the imprisonment as it says discharged 22nd May. He was a glass blower and had cuts on forehead and a crooked nose. I don't think it was his first conviction.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

There's a thomas Ramsker aka Ramskill or Ramskin the right age, b Goole, who is convicted of being drunk in April 1879

[Joyce C]

Many thanks for the Prison Records and the mention of Thomas from Goole although I do not think this is "my" Thomas.

I suspect the Harriet smith who Thomas Henry assaulted in 1888 is the same Harriet he was living with in the 1891 census, Barnsley and the 1901 census, London although I haven't found a likely marriage.

Thomas Henry Ramskill married Julia Thomson in 1867 but another mystery is who is George Ramskill who she was living with in 1881 and who is William Ramskill who she is living with in 1891? George says he was born Westmorland but I haven't found any Ramskill births in that county and William gives place of birth as Appleby which was formerly in Westmorland. All the children who were with her in 1881 and 1891 have Thomas as their father at baptism.

As I said yesterday quite a confusing family.

Bob

[Mabel Bagshawe]

 All the children who were with her in 1881 and 1891 have Thomas as their father at baptism.

As I said yesterday quite a confusing family.

Bob

Actually when Raymond, Violetta and William Elwood are baptised on the same day, William has Thomas listed, then crossed out. Also whilst the first two have father's occupation glass blower, William has no occupation listed for his father

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Looking very closely at the image, it has "illegitimate" written in under William's entry.

I wonder if his middle name is any clue

[Joyce C]

Many thanks for that, I hadn't seen the actual registers for the baptisms only the transcription on Family Search.

In the 1911 census for Julia Ramskill, wife of Thomas Henry Ramskill and by then married to a John Darlington she says she has had 7 children born alive, 5 living and 3 died, presumably maybe a still birth which would make the 8th. I have the 5 living ones but at this stage haven't found the other 3.

There does seem to be a gap between George in 1869 and violet in 1875 and between Raymond in 1877 and William in 1885. Incidentally Raymonds army record on Findmypast makes interesting reading and he does name his father as William despite the baptism naming him as Thomas.

As you say where does the name Elwood come from, so far I haven't found any links which might fit in.

I notice when William Ramskill marries Eliza Gray in 1909 he says his father is William Ramskill.

Bob

[Mabel Bagshawe]

these could be two of them

RAMSKILL, LOUISA        mmn THOMPSON
Q2 1871 PONTEFRACT  Volume 09C  Page 98

Possible death
RAMSKILL, LOUISA        1      
Q1  1873   PONTEFRACT  Volume 09C  Page 72



RAMSKILL, ANN      mmn   THOMPSON      
Q1 1873  PONTEFRACT  Volume 09C  Page 117

Possible death
RAMSKILL, ANNIE        2      
q4 1875  PONTEFRACT  Volume 09C  Page 88

[Joyce C]

Many thanks, certainly mothers maiden name is Thompson.

Bob