Ryder/Rider family -Richard born circa 1827(baptism look up please) Kinnerley

[Carybeth]

I am struggling to find out more about Richard Rider (also variant Ryder) born circa 1827
I know he had a possible sister, Elizabeth born circa 1826 (both born Kinnerley)
Richard is on the 1841 census living with the James family, his possible sister is living with another family a few doors down. I have all the information beyond 1841 regarding Richard but cannot find a baptism or details of his parents. If anyone can help, I would be grateful as I have reached a dead end.

[keyboard86]

Hi did he marry a Sarah Hughes 14th March 1856 Trefonen, is so he names his father as John Rider occ Labourer the father of Sarah is a John Hughes occ Parish Clerk.

Richard is aged 27 and Sarah 21

I see in 1871 that Sarah has now married a William Howell and included in the household are various Ryder step-children aged 14 to 4.

Oddly there was another marriage of a Richard Rider 36 to a Sarah Roberts 24 on the 29th May 1860 Kinnerley where once again the father of Richard is a John Rider occ Labourer
Keyboard86

[ciderdrinker]

Hello there
The John Rider family in Kinnerley are
John Rider illegitimate son of Mary bapt 28.1.1787 and his brother Richard 3.5.1792
John married Sussannah Jones 17.7.1808 at West Felton.
children I can see
William 12.12.1812 labourer Dovaston mother's maiden name Jones at Kinnerley
Richard 19.2.1815
Elizabeth 3.12.1815 Moreton Say
Mary 4.10.1817 Kinnerley
Ellinor 3.6.1821 Kinnerley
Sarah 27.4.1823 Kinnerley

I'd be looking at him

Ciderdrinker

[Carybeth]

Hi did he marry a Sarah Hughes 14th March 1856 Trefonen, is so he names his father as John Rider occ Labourer the father of Sarah is a John Hughes occ Parish Clerk.

Richard is aged 27 and Sarah 21

I see in 1871 that Sarah has now married a William Howell and included in the household are various Ryder step-children aged 14 to 4.

Oddly there was another marriage of a Richard Rider 1836 to a Sarah Roberts 24 on the 29th May 1860 Kinnerley where once again the father of Richard is a John Rider occ Labourer
Keyboard86

Thank you for this information. I'd got the wrong Sarah, as I thought it was Sarah Roberts but it makes sense that its Sarah Hughes as their first born son had the middle name Hughes. Funnily enough, I cannot find a marriage for Sarah to William Howell,unless they lived in sin!

[Carybeth]

Hello there
The John Rider family in Kinnerley are
John Rider illegitimate son of Mary bapt 28.1.1787 and his brother Richard 3.5.1792
John married Sussannah Jones 17.7.1808 at West Felton.
children I can see
William 12.12.1812 labourer Dovaston mother's maiden name Jones at Kinnerley
Richard 19.2.1815
Elizabeth 3.12.1815 Moreton Say
Mary 4.10.1817 Kinnerley
Ellinor 3.6.1821 Kinnerley
Sarah 27.4.1823 Kinnerley

I'd be looking at him

Ciderdrinker

This looks like it is him. Richard had children with his wife Sarah called John and Elizabeth and William, thanks for this, much appreciated.

[keyboard86]

Hi the Elizabeth on the 1841 census aged 15 is 25 in 1851 census with a Nephew John Feltus 5, she married a James Heatley 30th January 1852 Kinnerley giving Father as John Rider occ Labourer

The John Feltus looks to be the son of James Feltus who married Mary Ryder Dec qtr 1844 Oswestry, she then remarried a Thomas Ellis as a Widow 7th June 1852 St Oswald's Oswestry.
Keyboard86

[Carybeth]

Hi the Elizabeth on the 1841 census aged 15 is 25 in 1851 census with a Nephew John Feltus 5, she married a James Heatley 30th January 1852 Kinnerley giving Father as John Rider occ Labourer

The John Feltus looks to be the son of James Feltus who married Mary Ryder Dec qtr 1844 Oswestry, she then remarried a Thomas Ellis as a Widow 7th June 1852 St Oswald's Oswestry.
Keyboard86

Elizabeth must then be sister of Richard, I am presuming that maybe their mother died shortly before the 1841 census due to them living with other people. Thank you

[keyboard86]

But if the one marrying James Heatley is the sister of Richard, she cannot be the one born c 1815 Moreton Say?

Keyboard86

PS Forget about possible deaths of parents, children started out young as Servants, as can be seen with Richard and Elizabeth and Mary in 1841?

[Carybeth]

Hi did he marry a Sarah Hughes 14th March 1856 Trefonen, is so he names his father as John Rider occ Labourer the father of Sarah is a John Hughes occ Parish Clerk.

Richard is aged 27 and Sarah 21

I see in 1871 that Sarah has now married a William Howell and included in the household are various Ryder step-children aged 14 to 4.

Oddly there was another marriage of a Richard Rider 36 to a Sarah Roberts 24 on the 29th May 1860 Kinnerley where once again the father of Richard is a John Rider occ Labourer
Keyboard86

I am wondering why Richard's marriage to Sarah Hughes isn't on the bmd as I couldn't find it, only the other marriage of 1860 of a different Richard Rider is on?