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Phillis Nock 1819
« on: Monday 02 January 17 16:12 GMT (UK) »
I had traced back my Nock ancestors well into the 1650s, starting from Phillis Nock, born in approx 1819, who married James Davies in Old Swinford, Worcester, in 1840. I had assumed that she was the Phillis Nock christened in 1821 to Aaron and Lucy Nock, and had traced Aaron's forebears. However, I could not find out what happened to Aaron and Lucy after the 1820s. My fruitless researching came to a head yesterday, when I found Aaron and Lucy Nock in Durham, having more children. Furthermore, after Lucy died, the key to knowing this was the same family was Aaron's second marriage. His father on this marriage transcription was 'Noble'; so I knew I had the correct man, and on censuses, he was born in Worcestershire. However, I would never have found this prior, as it was recorded under 'Knox'.
To my dismay, I found a record for a Phillis Knox, father Aaron Knox, marrying in Durham, in 1839- so my Phillis, and all of her Nock ancestors, are completely wrong! I had a sorry night deleting them all off  of my tree, after a year of work on them. I guess my story shows the importance of getting certificates to back up your data- Phillis' marriage certificate would be a good start. Does anyone else have a similar story? I am glad I have found out the truth, but I do not know where to go next regarding Phillis, as the only other Phillis was born in 1825, not 1819 as she is recorded on the censuses. I have some thinking to do!

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Re: Phillis Nock 1819
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 04 January 17 11:56 GMT (UK) »
Is this your Phillis

1841 census Rowley Regis Staffs H0107/997   Bk5   folio10   page15

William   Nock      45
Mary                   45
Levi                    25
Roshannah         20
Ann                    2
James Davis        25
Phillis                  21
Ann                    3mths

Next house
William  Nock    63

Jackie
Dudley Worcs:Ellis Durkin Oakley Rich Smith
Baggot Saunders Turner Williams Hobbs
Harts Hill: Baggot Wright

Tipton:Whitehouse (boatman) Timmins
Yorkshire:Littlewood Wilcockson
Derbyshire:Wilcockson

Derby Belper:Spencer
Herefordshire Brampton Bryan:-Turner

Worcs. Hereford. Gloucs.
Hodgetts




Radnorshire: Meredith
Bristol Somerset: Box

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Re: Phillis Nock 1819
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 04 January 17 12:19 GMT (UK) »
FILLICE Nock Christened 7 May 1832**, Round Oak Primitive Methoodist, Brierley Hill, Staffordshire
Birth 15 Feb 1820***
Parents WILLIAM Nock and Mary Ann TORBET

2 other siblings christened same day 7 May 1832;
SETH, birth 5 Feb 1822
ELIZAA, birth 7 April 1829

LEVI Nock, Christened 11 February 1816, Parish of Rowley Reges, Stafford Co.
Parents WILLIAM/MARY ANN

Both on Familysearch.Org.

Levi married twice;
1838 to Rosannah INGLEY
1862 to Mary MILDON, both widowed
(full details are on FreeREG)

Trish :)
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Re: Phillis Nock 1819
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 04 January 17 12:24 GMT (UK) »
Mary Ann may be Talbot and not Torbet as F/S.has;

Marriage;
27 March 1815, St Thomas, Dudley Staffs, Staffordshire
William NOCK to Mary TALBOT
Bachelor/Spinster
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Re: Phillis Nock 1819
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 04 January 17 12:45 GMT (UK) »
Great work in finding Phillis in 1841 Jackie.

1851 we have;
William Nock, 59, Nailer
Mary Ann Nock, 59, Wife
Elvi Nock, 35, Son, Nailer
Roseannah Nock, 33, Daug in Law
Ann Eliza Nock, 11 Mo
Mary Ann Nock, 8
William Nock, 5
All born Rowley
Next Door;
William Nock, 79, Widr, Nailer
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Re: Phillis Nock 1819
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 04 January 17 13:00 GMT (UK) »

 Thank you Trish....good work yourself!!

Why not try asking for a parish reg .look-up re. marriage to be sure.

Jackie
Dudley Worcs:Ellis Durkin Oakley Rich Smith
Baggot Saunders Turner Williams Hobbs
Harts Hill: Baggot Wright

Tipton:Whitehouse (boatman) Timmins
Yorkshire:Littlewood Wilcockson
Derbyshire:Wilcockson

Derby Belper:Spencer
Herefordshire Brampton Bryan:-Turner

Worcs. Hereford. Gloucs.
Hodgetts




Radnorshire: Meredith
Bristol Somerset: Box

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Re: Phillis Nock 1819
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 04 January 17 18:22 GMT (UK) »

 Burial St Giles Rowley Regis 6th Oct 1833

Seth Nock age 11  (Jaundice)

Abode.Reddal Hill

Jackie
Info.Freereg
Dudley Worcs:Ellis Durkin Oakley Rich Smith
Baggot Saunders Turner Williams Hobbs
Harts Hill: Baggot Wright

Tipton:Whitehouse (boatman) Timmins
Yorkshire:Littlewood Wilcockson
Derbyshire:Wilcockson

Derby Belper:Spencer
Herefordshire Brampton Bryan:-Turner

Worcs. Hereford. Gloucs.
Hodgetts




Radnorshire: Meredith
Bristol Somerset: Box

Census Information is Crown Copyright from
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Re: Phillis Nock 1819
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 02 April 17 12:51 BST (UK) »
Thanks for all your help- I have tentatively added Phillis' parents as William and Mary Ann, and suggested that she was a Talbot and not a Torbet- Torbet seems to be a very uncommon surname. Many thanks with help for the marriage I was struggling finding this- I need to remember to open freereg more than I do! I think I may have to get Phillis' marriage certificate to check her father IS William- there may be more Phillis Nocks that I do not know about. I believe that she may be possibly be descended from the same line of Nocks as before, so my research may not have been totally wasted!

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Re: Phillis Nock 1819
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 02 April 17 12:53 BST (UK) »
*Considering that she was living with William on the 1841 census with her husband, I find it highly unlikely that William isn't her father!