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Looking for marriage of Thomas Ryde / Ride about 1663/4
« on: Tuesday 03 January 17 14:54 GMT (UK) »
Thomas Ryde was baptised in Ewhurst Surrey s/o of Thomas (mother probably Elizabeth nee More). I have found baptisms of eight children in Ewhurst with father Thomas but mother's name not mentioned

Elizabeth 26 Mar 1667
Thomas 11 Jan 1669 buried 14 Jan 1669
Sarah 24 Jan 1670
Catherine 25 Apr 1671
Margaret 31 May 1672
Hannah 24 Mar 1674
Frances 01 Feb 1676
Dorothy 01 Jun 1679

He wrote his will in January 1705 and died in 1707 (buried 5 Aug 1707). In his will he leaves money and / or property to his 9 daughters:
Mary, Ann, Elizabeth, Sarah (Haynes), Katharine, Margaret, Hannah, Frances and Dorothy. I haven't found baptisms for Mary and Ann, but as they are listed in this order, I suspect that Mary and Ann are older than Elizabeth, so Thomas may have married about 1663/4.

No wife is mentioned in the will, so I presume she predeceased Thomas.

Can anyone track down the marriage and find Thomas's wife's name, please
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Looking for marriage of Thomas Ryde / Ride about 1663/4
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 04 January 17 06:54 GMT (UK) »
Mary baptized 10 November 1663. Father Thomas Ryde, at Ewhurst Surrey
Ann baptized 28 March 1665. Father Thomas Ryde at Ewhurst Surrey.

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Re: Looking for marriage of Thomas Ryde / Ride about 1663/4
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 04 January 17 07:35 GMT (UK) »
Thank you that confirms what I thought about the two missing daughters, unfortunately still no mother's name.

It probably puts a marriage a couple of years earlier than i thought
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Looking for marriage of Thomas Ryde / Ride about 1663/4
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 04 January 17 07:55 GMT (UK) »
Daughter Sarah Ryde married Edward Haynes 23 April 1700 at Dorking St Martin, Surrey.


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Re: Looking for marriage of Thomas Ryde / Ride about 1663/4
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 04 January 17 08:11 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, I had Sarah's marriage. Two of the other daughters also married in the few years after their father's death.
One on-line tree has the daughter Elizabeth marrying my ancestor (Samuel Child) in 1704 , but I doubt it as she would have been too old to produce the youngest of the children I have found for Samuel and his Elizabeth Ryde. Also Samuel refers to buying a property from his brother in law Thomas Ride, so his Elizabeth must have had a brother Thomas who survived to adulthood.
But one of the properties Samuel does leave in his will of 1755, was he same property left to two of Thomas Ryde's daughters, so there is a connection somehow.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Looking for marriage of Thomas Ryde / Ride about 1663/4
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 04 January 17 08:45 GMT (UK) »
This may help, on ancestry extracted parish and court records. Archbishop of Canterbury marriage licenses.
License issued 18 July 1662
Thomas Ryde of Ewhurst Surrey, Yeoman about 32 years of age, to Mary Grafham of Albury age 22
with consent of her mother Mary Grafham, now Mary Ryde wife of Gabriel Ryde of Ewhurst.
Marriage place listed either Stoke Guildford or Shalford Surrey. So the marriage wasn't at Ewhurst

There is also a William Ryde wife Mary (from his will probate 1705)having children at the same time as Thomas and (possibly Mary nee Grafham) in Ewhurst.
He had children mentioned in his will, Elizabeth 1689, Ann, William, Edward, John and Thomas 1691.
There may be more. Thomas was the youngest as he also got 30 pounds to pay for an apprenticeship.

1)William and Thomas gave their children the same names so they were probably brothers.
2) Elizabeth daughter of William has a brother Thomas who survives to adulthood.

If you have access to ancestry read the wills. This is one of them.
Mary Ryde of Ewhurst wrote a will 1719 probate 1720

Grandsons Thomas Ryde, William Ryde, John Ryde, grand daughter Mary Ryde w/o Gabriel Ryde my grandson late deceased, their children Mary , Gabriel and Sarah.
Elizabeth Grafham daughter of John Grafham her grandson
Dorothy Ryde daughter of Thomas Ryde.
Based on the above she is the widow of Gabriel Ryde senior, mentioned in the license of Thomas Ryde to Mary Grafham above.

To make matters more complicated Gabriel Ryde (her grandson) married Mary Hayne of Cranley 29 October 1700
I refer to the Sarah Ryde that married Edward Haynes daughter of Thomas (the elder)

You have a puzzle to sort out.

The Elizabeth who married Samuel Child could be the daughter of William and not Thomas as she was born 1689 as opposed to 1667.

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Re: Looking for marriage of Thomas Ryde / Ride about 1663/4
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 04 January 17 09:24 GMT (UK) »
Found where they got the reference to Samuel Child that you mentioned previously.
This is on ancestry.
Will of Dorothy Ryde, spinster of Shere Surrey written 1740 probate 1741
The surnames/writing are hard for me to decipher so here goes.
Robert (P)arkhurst of Shere Surrey and Henry Nappier? of Cranly, surgeon are executors.
Robert' children mentioned are Edward, Katherine, Elizabeth and Mary. 
Henry' children mentioned are Henry, Thomas, Mary and Anne.
Kinsman John Hayne of Cranly
Kinsman John Ryde of Ewhurst.
Ann w/o John Everhold / Evershort? of Ewhurst
Sarah w/o John Hathorn?
Thomas Ryde of Old House
Edward Ryde of Morrow House
**Elizabeth w/o Samuel Child of Dunsfold gets 10 pounds.

Find her burial in Shere  hopefully there is an age listed, so it can be determined if she is the daughter of Thomas and Mary born 1679 and maybe the same Dorothy Ryde daughter of Thomas mentioned in the will of Mary Ryde in 1721.



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Re: Looking for marriage of Thomas Ryde / Ride about 1663/4
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 04 January 17 09:57 GMT (UK) »
Will of Hannah Ryde written 1 October 1735 probate15 September 1736. Spinster of Cranley.

sister Dorothy Ryde of Cranley, spinster
sister Mary Ryde of Ewhurst widow (should this be sister in law)
Kinswoman Sarah w/o John Heather
Kinswoman Elizabeth w/o Samuel Child of Dunsfold.
Kinsman Edward Parkhurst
Kinsman Robert Parkhurst.
Kinsman George Worffold ? of Lyfield
Children of sister (In law)  Mary, John, Thomas and Edward Ryde, also Ann w/o John Evershort ?daughter of Mary Ryde.
Kinswoman Mary Napper w/o Henry Napper, Doctor of Physic of Cranley.

Note Elizabeth Child is mentioned as a kinswoman, not a sister, so probably a cousin.

Added based on the will of Samuel Child 1755, I would say his wife is Elizabeth daughter of William Ryde.

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Re: Looking for marriage of Thomas Ryde / Ride about 1663/4
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 04 January 17 10:29 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for all that, it certainly adds some more bits to the puzzle.
The marriage of Thomas and Mary Graffham does look like the one.

It looks like Mary X (died age 93 in 1709, so born about 1616) married Mr Graffham and had Mary Graffham about 1640 (age 22 in 1662 on marriage licence) and a presumably a son who became the father of the Grandson John Graffham mentioned in her will.

Then Mr Graffham died and Mary X (now Graffham) married Gabriel Ryde and had more children, resulting in the grandchildren mentioned in the will - who could be a mix of siblings and first cousins to each other.

I believe Mary Ryde (eldest daughter of Thomas) married William Ryde - probably a cousin. So Hannah's sister Mary was a Ryde by birth and by marriage.

I have a will of a Mary Ryde written 1706 which mentions grandchildren and great grandchildren, but seemed to be proved 1719. That would seem to match with a burial of a Mary Ryde widow aged 93 buried in Ewhurst on 8 Feb 1709 - the record says she was of Longhurst Hill.

Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott