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Re: place name in Tomintoul - Kirkmichael need help
« Reply #9 on: Friday 06 January 17 02:10 GMT (UK) »
Indiana,

Now that you have pics, I bet you'd love to visit?

Highland Scotland is beautiful...enough said!  ;)

Annie
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Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

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Re: place name in Tomintoul - Kirkmichael need help
« Reply #10 on: Friday 06 January 17 03:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Dalnaloin, to the east of and south of Tomintoul is marked on the General Roy 1747 - 1752 Military map (see attached ref http://maps.nls.uk/geo/roy/index.cfm#zoom=14&lat=57.2439&lon=-3.3016&layers=roy-highlands)

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Istrice
Lovely - one thing I have noted is the Shaws who are forever moving about always seem to move along the forever military road - cheers for that  :)
Grant/Shaw/Tomintoul/Banffs
Manson/Johnston/Okney Isles
Johnston/Manson/Wick/Caithness/Scotland
Shaw/MGregor/Leochusnie/Aberdeenshire
Shaw/Johnston/Aberdeen
Shaw/Manson/Johnston/Edinburgh/Scotland
Shaw/Johnston/Berwick upon Tweed
Shaw/McIntosh/Cambridge/Ohio
Shaw/McGregor/Canada/Winniepeg/Cambridge
Shaw/McGregor/Northumberland/Stannington
Shaw/Johnston/Northumberland/Monkseaton
Hindhaugh/Bedlington/ Morpeth
And uncle Tom Cobley and all . . . : )

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Re: place name in Tomintoul - Kirkmichael need help
« Reply #11 on: Friday 06 January 17 03:24 GMT (UK) »
Indiana,

Now that you have pics, I bet you'd love to visit?

Highland Scotland is beautiful...enough said!  ;)

Annie
I have designs to live there Annie - just trying to find an area to which my family still relates to as most of mine where lost to Canada - enough said   ;)
Grant/Shaw/Tomintoul/Banffs
Manson/Johnston/Okney Isles
Johnston/Manson/Wick/Caithness/Scotland
Shaw/MGregor/Leochusnie/Aberdeenshire
Shaw/Johnston/Aberdeen
Shaw/Manson/Johnston/Edinburgh/Scotland
Shaw/Johnston/Berwick upon Tweed
Shaw/McIntosh/Cambridge/Ohio
Shaw/McGregor/Canada/Winniepeg/Cambridge
Shaw/McGregor/Northumberland/Stannington
Shaw/Johnston/Northumberland/Monkseaton
Hindhaugh/Bedlington/ Morpeth
And uncle Tom Cobley and all . . . : )

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Re: place name in Tomintoul - Kirkmichael need help
« Reply #12 on: Friday 06 January 17 04:49 GMT (UK) »
How nice that would be & I hope it happens for you.

Which part of Canada are you in now?

I have relatives in Canada descended from emigrants from Scotland but a lot later, 1920's.

The ones I believe are mine from the 1800's I can't find any paper trail to prove it  :(

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

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Re: place name in Tomintoul - Kirkmichael need help
« Reply #13 on: Friday 06 January 17 05:44 GMT (UK) »
How nice that would be & I hope it happens for you.

Which part of Canada are you in now?

I have relatives in Canada descended from emigrants from Scotland but a lot later, 1920's.

The ones I believe are mine from the 1800's I can't find any paper trail to prove it  :(

Annie
Sorry not sure if it's my ID but I am from the UK - my grandfather seems to be the only one to have stayed here - the rest are in Winnipeg - in Canada - though my great dad seems to be buried in Ajax for some reason - they all seemed to have started out in different ports of America first - one being a William who landed in Indiana - hence my nickname I think - I have just landed in a place called Haydon Bridge - near to Hexham - land of coal fires it seems - not doing my asthma any good - so just for the fun of it I might trip over to Carlisle - quick stop in Glasgow - then up to Aviemore - then down across to Kirkmichael - where I hoping the coal fires are hopefully more spaced out - ha ha ha - as for your lost family to Canada - maybe an appeal on here would help - as there is more people in the know as how to go about it - there is so many of my Shaw's in Winnipeg - I'm not even going to bother with it - time they come home - the ideology of my thoughts are just to catch up on folks I can remember as a child - so that leaves Leochel - Cushnie my grandfather place of birth - with a view of getting there with a  "My folks from Leochel - Cushnie are from Tomintoul before hand - and give me something to natter and catch up on while I'm there - te he  :)
Grant/Shaw/Tomintoul/Banffs
Manson/Johnston/Okney Isles
Johnston/Manson/Wick/Caithness/Scotland
Shaw/MGregor/Leochusnie/Aberdeenshire
Shaw/Johnston/Aberdeen
Shaw/Manson/Johnston/Edinburgh/Scotland
Shaw/Johnston/Berwick upon Tweed
Shaw/McIntosh/Cambridge/Ohio
Shaw/McGregor/Canada/Winniepeg/Cambridge
Shaw/McGregor/Northumberland/Stannington
Shaw/Johnston/Northumberland/Monkseaton
Hindhaugh/Bedlington/ Morpeth
And uncle Tom Cobley and all . . . : )

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Re: place name in Tomintoul - Kirkmichael need help
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 11 January 17 00:01 GMT (UK) »
For anyone else who, like me, was mightily confused:
Tomintoul is a village in Scotland; formerly in Banffshire.

So, nothing to do with Kirkmichael on the Isle of Man :-\

There are actually four parishes in Scotland called Kirkmichael - one each in Banffshire, Perthshire, Dumfries-shire and Ayrshire IIRC.

Tomintoul is the largest settlement in the Banffshire one. Banffshire still exists as a historic and ceremonial county, and for purposes of family history research this Kirkmichael, including Tomintoul, belongs to Banffshire; the modern local authority boundaries date only from 1975 and are not helpful when researching anything that happened before then.
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Re: place name in Tomintoul - Kirkmichael need help
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 11 January 17 09:39 GMT (UK) »
For anyone else who, like me, was mightily confused:
Tomintoul is a village in Scotland; formerly in Banffshire.

So, nothing to do with Kirkmichael on the Isle of Man :-\

There are actually four parishes in Scotland called Kirkmichael - one each in Banffshire, Perthshire, Dumfries-shire and Ayrshire IIRC.

Tomintoul is the largest settlement in the Banffshire one. Banffshire still exists as a historic and ceremonial county, and for purposes of family history research this Kirkmichael, including Tomintoul, belongs to Banffshire; the modern local authority boundaries date only from 1975 and are not helpful when researching anything that happened before then.
Appreciated Forfarian - the boundaries overlapping do not help things - but has to noted - some say Tomintoul did not exist prior to 1775 when Gordon of the Gordon then built Tomintoul as it now - but the locals spread out around Tomintoul itself did exist prior to 1775 I am sure -   as I found a death of an William Shaw dating back to 1640 - marked up as Tomintoul - the problem here arose I think as it was a hand writing decipher and was not place in the banffs section - and of couse there is more than one Tomintoul - my fault completely - but all of the information received by yourself helps a great deal as there are the four local areas to be considered when finding your folk - name places are repeated all over the world - which again does not help without the full details - nawty me  :-\
Grant/Shaw/Tomintoul/Banffs
Manson/Johnston/Okney Isles
Johnston/Manson/Wick/Caithness/Scotland
Shaw/MGregor/Leochusnie/Aberdeenshire
Shaw/Johnston/Aberdeen
Shaw/Manson/Johnston/Edinburgh/Scotland
Shaw/Johnston/Berwick upon Tweed
Shaw/McIntosh/Cambridge/Ohio
Shaw/McGregor/Canada/Winniepeg/Cambridge
Shaw/McGregor/Northumberland/Stannington
Shaw/Johnston/Northumberland/Monkseaton
Hindhaugh/Bedlington/ Morpeth
And uncle Tom Cobley and all . . . : )

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Re: place name in Tomintoul - Kirkmichael need help
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 11 January 17 10:17 GMT (UK) »
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some say Tomintoul did not exist prior to 1775 when Gordon of the Gordon then built Tomintoul as it now
They are quite right. The village of Tomintoul is one of the numerous planned villages created in the late 18th and early 19th century (the period known as the 'Scottish Enlightenment') by landowners, and it presumably took the name of a pre-existing farm or croft or clachan.

You can always spot a planned town or village because the street plan involves straight streets in a rectangular pattern, the main streets usually quite wide, and the houses usually built with their long front elevation on the street. Older places have winding narrow lanes and the houses are often built with gable ends to the street. Cullen is a good place to see this because the Seatown has the wynds and gable ends to the street/sea, and the upper town is a classic planned town of the early 19th century. The larger old places have a mediaeval street plan where the main street widens in the middle to accommodate the kirk and market, and there are lots of narrow alleys or vennels or closes running off it at right angles. Elgin and Forres are examples of this.

The motivation for the fashion for building planned villages was partly philanthropic, to provide better accommodation for the populace, though in many of them the tenants had to build their own houses according to the overall plan and guidelines. Sometimes it was to increase income from the land by letting tenements, which in this context means narrow strips of land stretching back behind the house (IIRC Rothes is one of these, and possibly Grantown-on-Spey). Sometimes it was to get rid of an unsightly clutter of hovels close to the walls of the landowner's house and move the 'hoi polloi' a mile or so away (Fochabers and New Scone, for example).

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but the locals spread out around Tomintoul itself did exist prior to 1775 I am sure
Yes. IIRC the village of Tomintoul was created to provide housing and work in weaving for the inhabitants of the area.

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not place in the banffs section
How do you mean? Where did you find it?

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there is more than one Tomintoul
Indeed. There's the one in the parish of Kirkmichael, Banffshire http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ1618,
one just outside Braemar in Aberdeenshire http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NO1490 and one in Strathnairn, Inverness-shire http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NH6628 that spring to mind, and I am almost certain I've seen another one somewhere. The Scotland's Places web site only lists the Banffshire one.

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name places are repeated all over the world - which again does not help without the full details
Spot on. In Scotland, you have to know the name of the parish you are dealing with - some parishes are partly in one county and partly in another (Cromdale Inverallan and Advie, for instance, or Boharm) and there is one (Logie) that is  in three counties - partly in Perthshire, partly in Stirlingshire and partly in Clackmannanshire.

Where there are two or more parishes with the same name you also need to know which county or counties they belong to.
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