Warwickshire Record Office - Look-up request

[Marigold1]

If anyone happens to be going to the Warwick Record Office in January I would be very grateful for a look-up of the following:

St. Peter's Church, Coventry. Marriage on 28th December 1903. Groom: John William Bottrill. Bride: Sarah Ann Jarram.[/b]

I have been searching high and low in all the usual places for details of John William's father and have found nothing at all. John William also had a mysterious sister called Mrs. Taylor who lived at Oakham, Rutland - she seems to be equally untraceable.

The name of John William's father and notes of witnesses might be crucial.

The record office catalogue entry is:

AccNoDR0723
DR0723A
DR1194
DR1297
TitlePARISH OF ST PETER, COVENTRYDate1839-1997DescriptionRegisters of baptisms, 1841-1993; marriages, 1842-1974; burials, 1841-1931; banns of marriage, 1962-1987; services, 1914-1989; confirmation register, 1945-1978; preachers, 1882-1914; accounts, 1911-1963; vestry minutes, 1845-1920; general account records and cash books, 1951-1985; terrier inventory and log book of additions and alterations to the church, 1935-1997; PCC and DCC minute books, 1955-1979; PCC Treasurer's correspondence, 1951-1968; minutes of committee for building Harnall Church, 1839-1841, service sheet for consecration, 1841; register of West Indian Club, 1957-1958; and miscellaneous papers.LevelCollection

Many thanks.

Marigold

[lizdb]

Hi - and a warm welcome to Rootschat!

Have you found the couple on 1911 census? (sorry, look ups for that one aren't allowed). If so, where and when was John W born?
What is the source of the fact that he had a sister called Mrs Taylor? Any idea of her Christian name?

[josey]

Welcome from me too  .

Asking on the offchance whether you know John's mother's name? When you have made 2 more posts [just reply briefly twice to this thread] you can send & receive personal messages - 'pm's.

Josey

ADDED: It's a name which is 'ripe' for mistranscription.

[lizdb]

Just putting this up here in case it becomes relevant

Only birth for a John William, in OAkham, at right time is
Oct/Nov/Dec 1884
Oakham
7a 327
John William Baker

And here is that little guy in 1891

1891
Johns Court OAkham
John Broom 38 labourer
Ellen 36
John W Baker 6 nephew

marriage 1875 Oakham John Henry Broom/ Ann Ellen Baker on same page

[Marigold1]

Dear Josey and Liz,

What a lovely welcome to the List. Thank you.

John William Bottrill appears only on the 1911 census, living with his wife, children and widowed mother in St. Agnes Lane, Coventry. His mother Ellen Bottrill (b. 1860) gives her place of birth as Oakham, Rutland, and also John William's place of birth (b. 1885) is given as Oakham, Rutland.

The problem with the possible Broom/Baker connection in Oakham is that I have so far been unable to link the names Broom or Baker with any marriage with a Bottrill. As yet I cannot explain this change of surname.

Marigold

The snippet about John William's sister Mrs. Taylor appears in a 1920's book about Rutland soldiers killed in WW1. I have no idea of Mrs. Taylor's first name(s).

Marigold

[keyboard86]

Hi and welome to Rootschat, you may be aware that there is a Service Record for a John William Bottrill in the Royal Field Artillery b 1885 Rutland, in it he mentions his wife/children and an address of 8, Ashby Square, Loughborough as his current address, in 1901 there was this family?

John Rodgers 42 b Leicestershire
Ellen 43 b Oakham
John W 16 b Oakham
Residing at 23, Ashby Square, Loughborough
Census Ref RG13/2978/10/11
Keyboard86

PS The couple also had another daughter Elizabeth born 5th December 1913 Coventry.

[sandiep]

I see his wife Sarah is at 6 Ashby square in 1939 she didn't remarry after he was killed in 1917

[sandiep]

interestingly on the GRO site the birth of John William Baker mentioned above doesn't have a mothers maiden name

[Marigold1]

Dear keyboard86

The Ellen and John W in this group of people look suspiciously like John William Bottrill and his mother but this time using the surname of Rodgers.

I'm beginning to wonder if Ellen was a serial surname changer (depending on who she was living with rather than actually marrying any of the men concerned)!

Marigold