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Re: Warwickshire Record Office - Look-up request
« Reply #36 on: Saturday 07 January 17 17:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi All.

Well here we go then.

St Peter's Parish Church, Coventry.

25/12/1903 (Not the 28th)

John William Bottrill 19 bachelor   labourer   8 house 2 court Castle Street.Father John Bottrill lab.

Sarah Ann Jarram   19 spinster      8 house 2 court Castle Street.Father Thomas Jarram boatman

Witnesses  Clara Gee and John Bottrill



Alan,

That is absolutely marvellous. Very many thanks indeed. I am most grateful.

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Re: Warwickshire Record Office - John William Bottrill
« Reply #37 on: Saturday 07 January 17 17:47 GMT (UK) »
I thought that everyone who has helped me and contributed so much might like to see a summary of the situation as I now see it:

Bombardier 59007 John William Bottrill, Royal Field Artillery
Died of Wounds Salonica, 4th March 1917, Aged 32.
 
John William Bottrill was born on 6th October 1884 in Oakham, Rutland. His birth was registered under the name ‘John William Baker’, with the surname of his mother unspecified. In 1891 he was living at John’s Court, Oakham, with John Broom, a general labourer, and his wife Ellen, a machinist at a shoe factory. John Henry Broom had married Ann Ellen Baker (known as ‘Ellen’) in Oakham in 1884 and John William Baker is described as John Henry Broom’s nephew (possibly the son of a sister of Ellen).
 
After John Henry Broom died, aged 38, in Oakham in 1892 Ellen Broom appears to have moved to 23 Mill Street, Loughborough as in 1901 she was living there with John Rodgers, a bricklayer’s labourer. She was listed as ‘Ellen Rodgers’ and John William, described as ‘son’, now aged 16 and an engineering labourer, has assumed the name of ‘John William Rodgers’.

By 1911 Ellen and John William had moved again, this time to Coventry. Both had taken the new surname of ‘Bottrill’. On 25th December 1903 John William had married a young woman from Loughborough, Sarah Ann Jarram, at St. Peter's Church, Coventry. At the time of the marriage both John William, a labourer, and his bride gave their address as 8 House, 2 Court, Castle Street, Coventry. The parish register entry for John William’s marriage lists his father as ‘John Bottrill’. Could this be John Rodgers know known as ‘John Bottrill’ or someone different?

By 1911 John William and Sarah Ann had three children Kathleen Ellen (known as ‘Nellie’), Sarah and Thomas (all with the surname of ‘Bottrill’) and in 1911 they were all living with Ellen, now a widow, at 9 St. Agnes Lane, Coventry. John William was now employed as a general carman. Ellen states on the census return that she has been married for 27 years and has had 4 children (3 of whom are still living).

[Ann] Ellen died in the early summer of 1911 in Coventry and John William and Sarah Ann had another daughter Elizabeth in 1913.

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Re: Warwickshire Record Office - Look-up request
« Reply #38 on: Saturday 07 January 17 17:52 GMT (UK) »
Just putting this up here in case it becomes relevant

Only birth for a John William, in OAkham, at right time is
Oct/Nov/Dec 1884
Oakham
7a 327
John William Baker

And here is that little guy in 1891

1891
Johns Court OAkham
John Broom 38 labourer
Ellen 36
John W Baker 6 nephew

marriage 1875 Oakham John Henry Broom/ Ann Ellen Baker on same page

for info.

ref above 1875 marriage this appears to be JHB
John Broome Baptism 8 Dec 1851 Oakham, Rutland, England
Father:   Henry Broome occ labourer
Mother:   Mary Ann Broome Abode Bull Lane
Register Type:   Bishops Transcripts

1861 Oakham RG 9; Piece: 2307; Folio: 21; Page: 36
Henry BROOM 40
Mary A 39
Richard 15
Mary A 12
JOHN 9 Oakham
Robert 4
Henry 3
Edward 8mths

1871c living Bull Lane RG10; Piece: 3300; Folio: 72
Addition of dau Louisa age 7

John Henry BROOM mmn   GLENN     
GRO Reference: 1851  D Quarter in OAKHAM  Volume 15  Page 732   

marriage entry
Dec 1843 Oakham
Henry BROWN (original surname reads Brown)
Female names on same page
Marianne GLENN
Mary Ann GLENN

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Re: Warwickshire Record Office - Look-up request
« Reply #39 on: Saturday 07 January 17 19:05 GMT (UK) »
well Marigold  that's a great summary it had got a bit confusing I had lost track " senior moments" ;D

looks like only thing we don't know now is why they chose Bottrill as their name!
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Re: Warwickshire Record Office - Look-up request
« Reply #40 on: Sunday 08 January 17 11:37 GMT (UK) »
looks like only thing we don't know now is why they chose Bottrill as their name!

That's one of the reasons I tried looking at Ellen's family. Strange too that John consistently took the surname his mother used, even in adulthood. Broom at age 6, Rodgers at age 16 & Bottrill by 1903 at age 19. And all the men had forename John...
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON