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Flint and Fleming in Midlothian
« on: Thursday 12 January 17 12:03 GMT (UK) »
Doing research for a friend and am a bit stuck.

John Flint b 31 May 1822 Currie married Christina Fleming on 14 Dec 1845 Edinburgh.
Christina's father named as Matthew Fleming.
It would appear that John Flint died before 1851.
(An Ancestry tree has the date as 9 Nov 1850.)

John and Christina had 2 children, both born in South Leith:
John Flint b 15 Aug 1847 - 23 Dec 1923. (I have all his details once he married.)
William or Matthew Flint b 30 Apr 1851.

I think Christina married a second time but I cannot find that marriage.
In 1851 I think this is her:
1851 Census. 67 Tolbooth Wynd, South Leith, Midlothian. Christian Fleming, wife 29, Matthew Flint, son 1, James Flint, brother-in-law 26 a carter, Walter Flint, brother-in-law 23 a carter and James Fleming, brother 18 a salesman. ED28/24
Annotated as a wife but no sign of husband.

I think this is her in 1861 with a husband.
1861 Census. 96 Murray Gate, Dundee. George Dick 35, Christina 39, John Flint, stepson 13, Matthew Flint, stepson 10, Andrew Dick 2, Christina Dick 7 months plus 2 servants. ED9/19
Andrew Jenkinson DICK born 1 Sep 1858 so I calculate that Christina must have married George Dick between 1850 and 1858.

But I cannot find that marriage!
Sometimes on the LDS site she is named as Christina Flint and sometimes as Christina Fleming.
And I've tried all sorts of combinations on Scotland's People too.

Can anyone help me out here please?

As to Christina's parents and her birth, according to the censuses above, her birth year could be 1822. I found a possibility:
4 Jul 1823 St Cuthbert, Midlothian. Christina Fleming dau of Alexander Fleming and Christian Ross.
No father named Matthew!!

Any ideas wold be much appreciated - thank you.

Suzie

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Re: Flint and Fleming in Midlothian
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 12 January 17 12:15 GMT (UK) »
As the 1851 census names 3 Fleming boys and says they are BIL and brother  , have you searched for 2 of  them with a father Matthew?
Post changed or tired eyes??

Genealogy-Its a family thing

Paternal: Gibbins,McNamara, Jenkins, Schumann,  Inwood, Sheehan, Quinlan, Tierney, Cole

Maternal: Munn, Simpson , Brighton, Clayfield, Westmacott, Corbell, Hatherell, Blacksell/Blackstone, Boothey , Muirhead

Son: Bull, Kneebone, Lehmann, Cronin, Fowler, Yates, Biglands, Rix, Carpenter, Pethick, Carrick, Male, London, Jacka, Tilbrook, Scott, Hampshire, Buckley

Brickwalls-   Schumann, Simpson,Westmacott/Wennicot
Scott, Cronin
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Re: Flint and Fleming in Midlothian
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 12 January 17 12:23 GMT (UK) »
David,

No, not yet but planned to do so. I agree it should help.

I have just checked William/Matthew on the 1851 and I find it strange that the census was taken on 31 Mar 1851 yet his birth and baptism on LDS site clearly state birth 30 Apr 1851 and baptism as William on 20 May 1851. So how can he be on the 1851 census aged 1 and named Matthew?

Maybe there are in fact 2 different people - one named Matthew and one named John.
I need to look into this further now!

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Re: Flint and Fleming in Midlothian
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 12 January 17 12:41 GMT (UK) »
I haven't opened the record but there are deaths of 4 John Flints that fit your timeline. 2 are obviously the wrong age and 2 are close but one fits.

Given the birthdate above a John Flint died in Carrington or Primrose in 1852 aged 30. Check that one .

As to birth of Christine I am flummoxed. I see a Christine living with a Matthew and Jane Strang in 1841 but she is 8. ie 12 at marriage. I cant see that. This coincides with the birth details also for this date. Obviously not here but eliminated.

Genealogy-Its a family thing

Paternal: Gibbins,McNamara, Jenkins, Schumann,  Inwood, Sheehan, Quinlan, Tierney, Cole

Maternal: Munn, Simpson , Brighton, Clayfield, Westmacott, Corbell, Hatherell, Blacksell/Blackstone, Boothey , Muirhead

Son: Bull, Kneebone, Lehmann, Cronin, Fowler, Yates, Biglands, Rix, Carpenter, Pethick, Carrick, Male, London, Jacka, Tilbrook, Scott, Hampshire, Buckley

Brickwalls-   Schumann, Simpson,Westmacott/Wennicot
Scott, Cronin
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Re: Flint and Fleming in Midlothian
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 12 January 17 12:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi Suzie there is a marriage on www.scotlandspeople.gov might be worth checking out
George Dick spouse C Flemming 1857 Calton and Bonnington Ref 685/6 182
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Re: Flint and Fleming in Midlothian
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 12 January 17 13:05 GMT (UK) »
This looks like her in the 1871 census address 96,Murrygate St Clement Dundee
Mrs Dick ( Christina Dick ,Flint ,Fleming ) head age 49 housekeeper born Currie age 49
John Flint 23 born Leith ( Bottler )
Andrew Dick 12 born Dundee ( Bottler's message boy )
Christina Dick 10 born Dundee ( scholar )
Thomas Robertson 24 boarder
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Re: Flint and Fleming in Midlothian
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 12 January 17 13:09 GMT (UK) »
Freecen have a James Fleming age 8 living in Currie with adults Matthew and Christina and two other children - Archibald (10)  and Matthew (6). He would match with the brother James Fleming mentioned in the 1851 census.
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Re: Flint and Fleming in Midlothian
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 12 January 17 13:12 GMT (UK) »
Scotlands people has a death for a Christina Dick other surname Fleming 1887 Leith South age 66 which would give her a birth year about 1821/1822
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Re: Flint and Fleming in Midlothian
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 12 January 17 13:14 GMT (UK) »
So many responses in such a short time - gives me plenty to go on with later today.

Isobelw - thanks for the Freecen info. Will check that out.
Rosie17 - Not got as far as 1871 but looks like her, I agree.
And the marriage looks right. Why could I not find that? Many thanks.
And you've found he death as I was typing! That will be very helpful.
David - thanks for your updates thoughts too.

Brilliant, all of you. Am sure I'll find something now with all this help.

Suzie