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Palfreyman
« on: Tuesday 17 January 17 15:53 GMT (UK) »
Palfreymans are great..so many spellings!
So am needing help. Not due just to spelling though!
I have a George Palfreyman (spelt on his marriage cert as that) but on Ancestry as Palfreeman. He married a Mary Pratt in 1850..who later married a Christopher Kemp.
Now George is the problem. We think he might belong to a family where his father James (on Marr cert shows as farmer) and is married to a Sarah. But..which Sarah. I can find a son of James and Sarah....but no surname. There is a James (we think born 1776) and Sarah (we think born 1780) who had several children in Long Marston but all state Plumer as her surname. There is a  James and Sarah (no surname who have three children William, Ann and George I can find on census but still no surname for Sarah and as no other children mentioned cannot confirm if this family is same as James and Sarah Plummer.
We think it might be possible that one of Sarah P and James daughters could have had a child and maybe they took it on as their own. George is born  quite late for this family we have a possible date (from marr cert as 1826. hes in Stockton on forest at this point) as Mary remarried assuming its our George is right one...we think this George may have died youngish and a date of 1855 for that.
This is my George and we are trying to establish if he belongs to this family or a whole different one!
Does that make sense ??
I checked Ancestry for Sarah born in Long Marston around 1780 ten years either side and managed to find most Sarah's married to someone else..some we couldn't find any further record as too little to decide which one might be which.
Have searched for James in similar way and also George..there are a couple of others George 1830 who we don't think is ours as born in Goldsborough and another in 1826 who we think dies in 1876 and if only the one died as result of his work as a miner.
It' ;Ds the marr cert that gives us the basis of George and his father but not enough at present to find them both and Mum Sarah... and confirm siblings
Can anyone help please?  ;D :)

THANK YOU!!
Ross, McComas & Munro - Ross & Cromarty, Redshaw, Palfreeman, Robson & Marshall -Yorkshire, Broun/Brown & Mackenzie - West Lothian, Wood - Kent, Hartley- Lancs, Deacon - Northants

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Re: Palfreyman
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 17 January 17 16:18 GMT (UK) »
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George is born  quite late for this family we have a possible date (from marr cert as 1826. hes in Stockton on forest at this point)

You haven't said what birthplace George gives on the 1851 census??
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Re: Palfreyman
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 17 January 17 16:51 GMT (UK) »
HI Apologies... the one I found was 1841 for James and Sarah with three children in Marston but James birthdate here is abt 1781... and no George mentioned... this as the family I wondered if he might belong to as I wonder if its different from the other James and Sarah as these children Baptisms show a Sarah with no surname...there were several James and Sarahs seemingly in this particular area along with a great many Palfreeman however the spelling is.

The only census I found for George was 1841 with  him being in Bilton which is nearby..and a Mary Norton is Head but dob matches closest.

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Re: Palfreyman
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 17 January 17 17:04 GMT (UK) »
When did George marry Mary Pratt?  you say 1850, but also mention a marriage of his in 1826?

If his father is James, a farmer, from marriage cert that means marriage was after 1837 - so therefore 1850 is the correct one?

I think it is best if we go back a stage - is it from one of George and Mary's children you are descended from? Who was this , are when and where was he/she born? Have you got him/her on the censuses - with George at all?

IF George and Mary's marriage was 1850 - have you got the on 1851 census?  You mention Mary remarrying - when and where did George die?   If he died after 1851 then getting him on that census is vital to see where he was born. You cant think about going back any further till that is established.

Modified to add:   Here is the marriage
Oct/Nov/Dec 1850
York
23 891
George Palfreyman / Mary PRatt

Is this his death?
Jul/Aug/Sep 1855
York
9d 34
George Palfreyman


Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Palfreyman
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 17 January 17 17:57 GMT (UK) »
The 1855 death is for George Palfreeman as per the GRO online search and www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk

GRO shows age as 30 at death
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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 17 January 17 18:03 GMT (UK) »
1851 transcribed as Palfreyam - born Sheffield 1824.  If this is the right couple they were in Sheffield in 1851 whereas 1855 death was registered in York

HO107 Piece 2339 Folio 575 Page 44


EDIT 19.30pm 17/1 - IGNORE - just found this couple in 1861 so not the right 1851 entry
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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 17 January 17 18:15 GMT (UK) »
Well found Carol.

But it doesn't fit well with a York marriage and a York death. The occupation of the Sheffield one is a Brittania Metal Smith, which fits with being in Sheffield - cutlery makers galore there.

If your one married 1850 and died 1855, then presumably your ancestor was born between those dates.

Also - when did Mary remarry to Kemp? And where?  (York? Sheffield? elsewhere?)
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 17 January 17 18:19 GMT (UK) »
The Kemp marriage was 1859 in York

Freebmd have her as Mary Pralfreeman and so do YorkshireBMD??   
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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 17 January 17 18:23 GMT (UK) »
No Palfreyman children on the 1861 entry. 

Christopher Kemp   33 b Grimston
Mary   28 b York
Elizabeth    1 b Stockton
RG9 Piece 3544 Folio 81 Page 19
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