Julia CURTIS.1857.

[ROBINHULL]

Hi.
I have managed to obtain a copy of Ernest Edwin Curtis death certificate entry via the web link given...thanks for that.
Julia Curtis maiden name is shown as Curtis...which is good news..
And with the Leicestershire birth place shown in her death entry its all starting to look more probable.??
Don't you think..??
Finding a Julia and Thomas marriage would be fantastic but seems to be looking unlikely???
Still so many questions...
Thanks again for everyone's help.
Rob

[judb]

I'm 90% happy that this is your Julia, especially as there seems no other possibility found so far.

I'll transcribe the Death record - poor little boy and poor Julia, she must have been so worried for her other child, Julia Laura,  who was about 6 at the time.  I notice that the child listed next on the register also died  of diphtheria a few days later aged 4 months and another girl aged 9 years died of typhoid fever.  These children all lived in the same area of Prahran.  So sad.

Deaths
 Date and place of death;  10 July, 1867, Macquarie St, Prahran
name and surname; Ernest Edwin CURTIS
sex and age; Male, 1 year 5/12
cause of death, diphtheria, exhaustion
duration of illness, 4 days
medical attendant by whom certified and when he last saw deceased; Dr J H H Lewellin?, 10 July
name and surname of parents (if known) including mother's maiden surname  Thomas CURTIS, gentleman, Julia CURTIS formerly CURTIS
Information given by the undertaker J Raybould. 
Burial was at St Kilda cemetery, 13 July 1867
Officiating minister: J H Gregory, C of E
place of birth of the deceased; Prahran

So Ernest was born about February 1866 at Prahran.

I cannot see any record that fits his birth.

Speculation only: My thoughts are that Julia and Thomas were not married.  Perhaps Thomas was already married 

If you look on Googlemap - search for 4 Macquarie St, Prahran - you will see a small terrace of 3 single-storey houses which may date from the time; 90 degrees around and there are a couple of timber houses.  However they may be later - someone else may have much better historical architectural knowledge.  Most of the properties now in Macquarie St are modern.  Chapel St, which runs parallel to Macquarie St, is still an important through road and is now a trendy shopping area.

Judith

[sparrett]

Hi Robin,
If I were you, I would be giving consideration to downloading the marriage certificate for Julia Laura CURTIS.

We are all aware that the costs involved in certificate purchases can mount up , and it depends entirely on your personal choice.   

Here again are the details
CURTIS Julia Laura ( born in Hotham)
MOORE Thomas Leckenby (born in Prahran)
Year 1888
Reg Number3491

Information required at the time of marriage is this.
Date
Couple's names
Couple's ages
Couple's birthplaces
Previous status
Couple's occupations
Couple's residences
Fathers' names
Fathers' occupations
Groom's mothers name
Bride's mothers name

We always hope there is a tiny clue included that may move the search forward.
It would be interesting to see where Julia was born for instance.

If it is of interest to you, there are some births to the couple which I can put up for you.

Sue

ADDING FYI, the birth of bridegroom Thomas

MOORE Thomas Leckenby
Father-
Mother Sarah Ann MOORE
Birth Place PRAH
Year 1862
Reg   9636

[judb]

I would bet that the daughter's marriage certificate would have very little, if any, further information about the mysterious Thomas, supposedly a 'gentleman'.

Below is a quote from the index for the death of the son Alfred Ernest CURTIS which gives an extra name for Thomas.  However, again, seems likely to me that there would be no further information.

This death index entry - hooray - a father's name
Victoria, 1905 #5207
Alfd Ernt CURTIS, 37, (b abt 1868)
Died at Elsternwick, Victoria
Father's name:   Curtin Thos Boyd
Mother's name:   Julia Curtis

Judith

[judb]

Well, well - look what I've found............

From:
Victoria, Australia, Rate Books.
City of Prahran 1865-1866

1866: Occupier; Thomas Curtis, ship owner
Residence Place:   Mcquarie Pl, Prahran, Victoria. Wood cottage
Owner Name:   Frederick Duke
Gross annual value 26 pounds, first payment July 6
Frederick Duke, storeman,  seems to own all of the houses in the street, of whichThomas' residence has the highest rateable value. Other people's occupations are: printer, contractor, broker, baker, labourer.

1867 - similar entry.  Co-incidence?  The property next door but one is occupied by a Frederick HULL, bricklayer.

1869 Thomas CURTIS, shipping agent is now in Chapel St, Prahran; house owned by John DOBIE
1870 Thomas CURTIS, shipping agent, no actual address shown
1871 Thomas CURTIS, shipping agent, Grosvenor St, Prahran
1872 & 1873 Thomas CURTIS, shipping agent, Hornby St, Prahran.  This is a brick house and shed.
1873 - another entry for samaddress I think.  Occupation now given as 'shipping clerk'
1876,1877, 1878, 1879  Occ: shipping agent, now at Trinian St, Prahran.  Occ in 1878/9 - clerk

I can't see him definitely after that.  There is a Thomas E CURTIS in Prahran in 1890 but no occupation given so unsure if it's him.

I have only listed the Thomas CURTIS entries for Prahran.  There are plenty of others.

I think these are lists of the actual ratepayers with no guarantee that the rate-payer was actually living at the address.

At least now we have a connection to a Thomas CURTIS, ship owner or shipping agent or shipping clerk or clerk.

Judith

[ROBINHULL]

Thanks all for the continuing search for information regarding Julia Curtis...much appreciated.
I have managed to get a copy of the marriage certificate which I will go through later .
I did note that Julia Laura is shown as Illegitimate.
Sparrett if you could add the children for Julia Curtis and Thomas Moore I would really appreciate that...thanks.
Thanks once again for all of the help
Robin

[sparrett]

I see these three children for Thomas and Julia Laura in Victoria.

MOORE Aubrey Mervyn
Father Thos Laherty
Mother Julia Laura CURLY
Birth Place: ARDALE
Year 1895
Reg. 26080

MOORE  Leslie Neville
Father Thos Lahenby
Mother Julia Laura CURTIS
Birth Place PRAHRAN
Year 1891
Reg. 36318

MOORE Verna Muriel
Father Thos Leckenby
Mother Julia Laura CURTIS
Birth Place BOX HILL
Year 1899
Reg.   16202

The son Aubrey Mervyn joined the WW1 forces with a NOK given as T MOORE, father and an address of "Lemernia", Landcox Street Brighton.
There is a letter from him in the file from Wodonga in 1937.
The file is digitised at-
http://www.naa.gov.au/

Leslie Neville was part of the Civil Construction Corps.
His one page file can be seen at the above website.
Sue 

[sparrett]

Some news snips about the MOOREs

Engagement notice for their daughter 1926
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/165138865
 
1938 death notice for Thomas MOORE. Names children and grandchildren
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/11181863

Death notice of Julia Laura names siblings and other family members. 1945
Perhaps this has been posted previously (sorry if so)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12160048

1925 engagement notice for Leslie Mervyn
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2153836

Sue

[Jomot]

Just wondering if either of these Bills of Sale from 1894 & 1899 could be the same Julia Curtis?

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jgr/

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jgs/

If I'm looking at the correct Herbert Street on the map then it's in the St Kilda area and less than 2 miles from Macquarie St