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Re: Marriage Certificate Fathers occupation
« Reply #9 on: Monday 23 January 17 12:12 GMT (UK) »
Thanks avm .. it does certainly look like that, but seems far too coincidental with portamanteau and also i cant even figure out what a porkman was .. other than the obvious idea it was someone who sold pork, but cant see many references to this!

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Re: Marriage Certificate Fathers occupation
« Reply #10 on: Monday 23 January 17 12:16 GMT (UK) »
I've never heard of a porkman either (or a portman for that matter).

Are you willing to tell us who this is & where & when?  Are there census entries around the time of the "porkman" entry which might provide some context/confirmation?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Marriage Certificate Fathers occupation
« Reply #11 on: Monday 23 January 17 12:33 GMT (UK) »
Yep my fourth great-grandfather Edward Chantry (1818-1867) .. married a Mary-Ann Day in 1842, Lambeth London. I am trying to trace the family of this Mary-Ann .. other people have things on Ancestry but seems a lot of guesswork and not proven, especially as lots of people around with that name at the time.
From the marriage certificate the bride's father was deceased by 1842, his name was George, and the occupation on there seems to read as 'Brush Maker' .. so there is no census information. Have possible baptism record for Mary-Ann which gives the Porkman occupation above.
My ancestry link; http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/11235199/person/110063505825/facts
Thanks again for any help!

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Re: Marriage Certificate Fathers occupation
« Reply #12 on: Monday 23 January 17 12:36 GMT (UK) »
from the marriage certificate, this seems to say Brush Maker ?


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Re: Marriage Certificate Fathers occupation
« Reply #13 on: Monday 23 January 17 12:42 GMT (UK) »
I agree with Brush Maker as the occupation for George Day (decd) on Mary Ann Day's 27 Feb 1842 marriage. 

Have you traced Mary Ann in the 1841 census?  I see her address at marriage was White Hart St (same as for the groom, so may not have been long term).

Have you been able to trace the witnesses, especially B Pankhurst? (The other one, somebody Gawler, seems  to have been a regular witness so was probably associated with the parish church).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Marriage Certificate Fathers occupation
« Reply #14 on: Monday 23 January 17 12:46 GMT (UK) »
I see that Mary Ann Chantry nee Day remarried in 1876 (Clapham) to Henry Jennings, again naming her father as George Day, Brush Maker.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Marriage Certificate Fathers occupation
« Reply #15 on: Monday 23 January 17 13:01 GMT (UK) »
The most likely candidate for B Pankhurst seems to be a Benjamin Pankhurst - in Lambeth in 1841 as a cork cutter aged "25" - subject to rounding.  With him is an Elizabeth ("25") and another Elizabeth aged 10.

Benjamin Pankhurst, a minor, married Elizabeth Ann DAY at St Mary's Lambeth on 4 April 1831. 

Witnesses were George DAY and Edward Godfrey.

So - a possibility is that Elizabeth Ann Pankhurst nee Day was a sister of Mary Ann Chantry nee Day, and that their father George was alive in 1831 to witness Elizabeth's marriage.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Marriage Certificate Fathers occupation
« Reply #16 on: Monday 23 January 17 13:09 GMT (UK) »
More detail on Elizabeth Pankhurst (who died Jun qtr 1881 aged "70") from the census entries:

1841: 25 born in county (Surrey)
1851: 39 b London St Ann's
1861: 49 b Middlesex City
1871: 56 b Surrey Newington
1881: 70 b Surrey Walworth
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Marriage Certificate Fathers occupation
« Reply #17 on: Monday 23 January 17 13:29 GMT (UK) »
i cant even figure out what a porkman was .. other than the obvious idea it was someone who sold pork, but cant see many references to this!

Here's 4;

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/porkman


http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jbx/

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jby/


http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jbz/
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  WILSON;-Wiltshire.
 SOUL;-Gloucestershire.
 SANSUM;-Berkshire-Wiltshire
 BASSON-BASTON;- Berkshire,- Oxfordshire.
 BRIDGES;- Wiltshire.
 DOWDESWELL;-Wiltshire,Gloucestershire
 JORDAN;- Berkshire.
 COX;- Berkshire.
 GOUDY;- Suffolk.
 CHATFIELD;-Sussex-- London
 MORGAN;-Blaenavon-Abersychan
 FISHER;- Berkshire.
 BLOMFIELD-BLOOMFIELD-BLUMFIELD;-Suffolk.
DOVE. Essex-London
YOUNG-Berkshire
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