George Henry BROOKS MMN NOKE

[Benody1921]

I'm wondering if anyone is researching the Brooks family and if anyone has come across a Brooks/Noke union.

I found a birth record on the GRO for George Henry BROOKS b. APR-MAY-JUN 1884 in Stourbridge, MMN NOKE.

I haven't been able to find a marriage between a Brooks and Noke. My Great-Grandfather was born George Harry Brooks Dunn on 28 Aug 1883 or 1884 in Wollescote, Worcestershire. There were rumours that he had been adopted within the family. This is a real stretch but I'd like to be able to rule out any birth records that could possibly be him.

Thanks,

Melody

[CaroleW]

Have you tried Noake or Noakes?

If he was born in August - his birth would have been registered in the September qtr - not the June qtr

Does he name a father on his marriage cert?

How do you know for certain he was born in Wollescote if you don't have his birth cert?

[groom]

I haven't been able to find a marriage between a Brooks and Noke.

There is the possibility that it was her second marriage and therefore she wouldn't have married under the name of Noke.

What were the first names of his parents on the 1891 census?

[CaroleW]

The 1891 has a 7yr old Harry Brooks b Lye living with Grandfather Thomas Welton aged 56 and other family members

No Welton/Brooks marriage

Living in the Stourbridge RD  RG12 Piece 2303 Folio 79 Page 50

EDIT - surname is WELLON in 1881

[Benody1921]

Have you tried Noake or Noakes?

If he was born in August - his birth would have been registered in the September qtr - not the June qtr

Does he name a father on his marriage cert?

How do you know for certain he was born in Wollescote if you don't have his birth cert?

I was thinking that his August birthday might have been given to him by his adoptive parents, perhaps the day they took him in. Like I said, it's a bit of a reach but at this point I'm grasping at any little thing.

I know he was born in Wollescote because of the census and because of his Naval Service records.

**Edit**
On his marriage certificate, Edwin Dunn is his father. Edwin Dunn is also his father on his school record in 1891.

[Benody1921]

I haven't been able to find a marriage between a Brooks and Noke.

There is the possibility that it was her second marriage and therefore she wouldn't have married under the name of Noke.

What were the first names of his parents on the 1891 census?

I never even thought about the possibility of a second marriage. I'll have to look into that.

On the 1891 Census, my George is a Visitor at the house or Joseph and Cecilia Hyrons. His 1891 school record lists Edwin Dunn as his father and their address is Careless Green.

[keyboard86]

Hi following the George H Dunn you show in 1891 into 1901 he is shown as son of a Betsy Dunn 51 b Lye he also is shown as born Lye but living in Wollescote, RG13/2755/12/16.

In 1881 census:-

Edwin Dunn 31 Son in Law occ Bucket Maker b Brierley Hill, Staffs
Betsy 31 b Lye
are shown with an Elizabeth Brook 68 Unmarried? b Lye
Residing at Careless Green, Wollescote
Census Ref RG11/2890/12/18

And in 1891 census:-

Elizabeth Brooks 78 Widow b Lye
Betsy Brooks 40 Married b Lye
Residing at Belmont Road, Wollescote
Census Ref RG12/2304/145/13

In the last census George aged 27 b Wollescote is with his mother Betsy.
Keyboard86

EDIT The birth registration of his mother was Betsy Brooks June qtr 1849 Stourbridge Union v18 page 557 mmn Pardoe

And this possible marriage:-

Edwin Dunn to ( on same page ) Betsy Brooks June qtr 1872 Bromsgrove 6c 653

Edwin Dunn married Betsy Brooks 24th June 1872 Saint Kenelms, Romsley, Worcestershire. ( That is if they are the parents of George H)?

[Yegvard]

Hi Melody,

The name NOKE is registered at the Guild of One Name Studies, http://one-name.org/ You should get help on the name there.  Put NOKE in to the search engine.

Mike

[Benody1921]

Hi following the George H Dunn you show in 1891 into 1901 he is shown as son of a Betsy Dunn 51 b Lye he also is shown as born Lye but living in Wollescote, RG13/2755/12/16.

In 1881 census:-

Edwin Dunn 31 Son in Law occ Bucket Maker b Brierley Hill, Staffs
Betsy 31 b Lye
are shown with an Elizabeth Brook 68 Unmarried? b Lye
Residing at Careless Green, Wollescote
Census Ref RG11/2890/12/18

And in 1891 census:-

Elizabeth Brooks 78 Widow b Lye
Betsy Brooks 40 Married b Lye
Residing at Belmont Road, Wollescote
Census Ref RG12/2304/145/13

In the last census George aged 27 b Wollescote is with his mother Betsy.
Keyboard86

EDIT The birth registration of his mother was Betsy Brooks June qtr 1849 Stourbridge Union v18 page 557 mmn Pardoe

And this possible marriage:-

Edwin Dunn to ( on same page ) Betsy Brooks June qtr 1872 Bromsgrove 6c 653

Edwin Dunn married Betsy Brooks 24th June 1872 Saint Kenelms, Romsley, Worcestershire. ( That is if they are the parents of George H)?

Hi Keyboard,

Yes, 24 Jun 1872 is when Edwin Dunn and Betsy Brooks married. Because of the long gap between their marriage and George's birth we think he was adopted.  My grandad had heard a rumour that his dad had been taken in by someone in the family.

I've used the GRO to find a George Harry Dunn or George Henry Dunn or any other variation with MMN Brooks or Brookes or any other variation and none come up to match my great grandad. I've gotten to the point where I'm searching any George Harry's in the GRO, starting with Stourbridge in the 1883-1885 range. George Henry Brooks came up with the MMN Noke so I thought I'd check it out.

There's a good chance that Betsy and Edwin gave him a new forename but with the name George Harry Brooks Dunn I know that Brooks comes from Betsy's maiden name and Dunn comes fom Edwin. George and Harry are not names I've come across on either family. I would have thought they would have named their only son after their own father's. That might be a wrong assumption but it seems to be a pattern.

I've got several records for my George Harry Dunn. The missing link is his birth record  and it seems impossible to find. A lot of clues point to him being adopted. Now I'm searching for anything in birth records that could be him. My original post was to find a Brooks/Noke union or even anything about a Noke that may have had an illegitimate baby.