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Re: George Henry BROOKS MMN NOKE
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 24 January 17 12:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi Melody,

The name NOKE is registered at the Guild of One Name Studies, http://one-name.org/ You should get help on the name there.  Put NOKE in to the search engine.

Mike

Hi Mike,

Thank you for the link. I've never seen that site before. I'm sure it'll be useful.

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Re: George Henry BROOKS MMN NOKE
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 24 January 17 13:17 GMT (UK) »
In 1901 George Dunn 17 is with widowed mother Betsy 51 b Worcs  plus boarder Alfred John Sparrow aged 33

Total longshot but there is a birth for a George Dunn mmn Dunn in the September qtr 1884 Stourbridge 6C 170

Also - if he was adopted then you have no guarantees his birth was registered in the Stourbridge RD.   George himself would only know he was brought up in Wollescote hence the assumption of birth registration

Can't find Edwin in 1891 
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Re: George Henry BROOKS MMN NOKE
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 24 January 17 13:19 GMT (UK) »
 :) So why would the birth certificate indicate who possibly adopted him?
He is with Betsy on two census returns, maybe it would be worth while finding out why at 7 years old he was a visitor to the Hyrons household?
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« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 24 January 17 13:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi again, how many children does Betsy state she has had on the 1911 census?
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Re: George Henry BROOKS MMN NOKE
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 24 January 17 14:24 GMT (UK) »
:) So why would the birth certificate indicate who possibly adopted him?


Isnt it a case of the assumption being that Edwin and Betsy (nee Brooks) Dunn "adopted" him, and that his natural parents were some sort of relation to one or the other of them, and thus the birth of this George Henry Brooks might be his birth, the Brooks surname indicating he was related to Betsy nee Brooks. And therefore a Brooks/Noke marriage might help produce some first names for his natural parents.
That is how I have read the situation, but I may be wrong.

An awful lot of assumptions though.
I wouldn't take the fact that he was born several years into the marriage as an indication that he was adopted. I know plenty of people who have had to wait a long time for the arrival of their first child.

However, if there isn't a birth of George Henry Dunn with MMN Brooks around the right time, then something must have happened out of the ordinary. I haven't checked.
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Re: George Henry BROOKS MMN NOKE
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 24 January 17 14:54 GMT (UK) »
Total longshot but there is a birth for a George Dunn mmn Dunn in the September qtr 1884 Stourbridge 6C 170

Also - if he was adopted then you have no guarantees his birth was registered in the Stourbridge RD.   George himself would only know he was brought up in Wollescote hence the assumption of birth registration

Can't find Edwin in 1891 

I actually ordered that George Dunn birth certificate before the GRO added the MMN feature. Unfortunately it's not the right one.

I also haven't been able to find Edwin Dunn in the 1891 Census. He appears in a school record for George in 1891. Then in 1892 he's mentioned as Betsy Dunn's husband for her mother's probate record. Then he's mentioned on George's marriage certificate (1915). Betsy is listed as a Widow on the 1901 and 1911 Census but family members believe they actually separated or divorced.
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Re: George Henry BROOKS MMN NOKE
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 24 January 17 14:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi again, how many children does Betsy state she has had on the 1911 census?
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Betsy leaves the children born, living, and died part of the census blank. That may also be another indication that she didn't give birth. Or perhaps she was just feeling a bit lazy.
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Re: George Henry BROOKS MMN NOKE
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 24 January 17 14:58 GMT (UK) »
:) So why would the birth certificate indicate who possibly adopted him?


Isnt it a case of the assumption being that Edwin and Betsy (nee Brooks) Dunn "adopted" him, and that his natural parents were some sort of relation to one or the other of them, and thus the birth of this George Henry Brooks might be his birth, the Brooks surname indicating he was related to Betsy nee Brooks. And therefore a Brooks/Noke marriage might help produce some first names for his natural parents.
That is how I have read the situation, but I may be wrong.


That was exactly my thoughts. Since the rumour is that he was "taken in" by a family member I was hoping a birth record might indicate which family member. If he really was adopted, I would guess it was by a Brooks side since if he parents divorced he seems to always be living with his mother.

At this point I feel like I'm grasping at straws trying to figure out the ever elusive Dunns. I've been trying to figure out why George would be living with the Hyrons in 1891. I haven't been able to make a connection yet. Although, he's listed a Visitor. Does that mean he was living there or just there at the time of the census? I'm not really sure how the Visitor part works.

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Re: George Henry BROOKS MMN NOKE
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 24 January 17 15:19 GMT (UK) »
The census is just a picture of where people were on that one night.  So he could have been visiting just for that night, or for longer. Unlikely he was living there, or I don't think the term "visitor" would have been used.

Again I wouldn't assume that Edwin and Betsy were separated just because they are not together on census night. 
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