Camberwell, Wales

[pergamond]

George had been in NZ for 25 yrs. This fits with the shipping info. He arrived in Otago via Melbourne in Dec 1858 with his wife, child and brother.

Just to add interest, I have found a Robert Riddell born in 1823 in Cardiganshire, Wales, parents John Riddell and Janet Stavert. This Riddell family also moved to Scotland. I can't find any evidence that they were related, although they all lived in a similar part of Scotland.

[Gadget]

Is he the Assistant Shepherd in Sutherland ,in 1851, living with the Robson family :

Lairg
George Riddel, 30, b. Wales

[trish1120]

sorry to bore you with questions but was the Ship "Queen" that George and Family arrived on?

As I found this Riddell ref;

RIDDELL, THOMAS, born at Bonar Bridge, Scotland. Emigrated
to Australia, but, not liking the place, came to Otago in 1858
in the s.s. "Queen." Settlcd at Oan~aru. nlherr he was shepherding for Hon. 3f. Holmes on the Awamoa Estate.
Married in Oamaru. Shifted to Wharepa, buying his brotherin-law's
farm. Shortly after his death Mrs. Riddell shifted
to Balclntl~a.
+
RIDDLE, Thomas, born Inverness-shire, Scotland April 26, 1828 arrived s.s. Queen 1858 shepherd, Horseshoe Bush then on Totara estate; last 28 years farming, Warepa. Family, two sons, three daughters

[trish1120]

1851 Census
Edderton, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
John Riddle, 64, Sheepmanager, born Fedlarte, Roxburgh
Janet Riddle, 54, born Katers, Roxburgh
Thomas Riddle, 22, born Glcarry, inssshire
James Riddle, 20, born Farr, Sutherland
Jane Riddle, 18, born Golspie, Sutherland
Grace Mcintosh, 21
John Henderson, 18
Donald Duff, 21

1841 same place;
John Riddle   55, Shepherd
Janet Riddle   40
John Riddle   20
Helen Riddle   15
Thomas Riddle   12
James Riddle   10
Jane Riddle   7

Name: Jane Riddle
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 6 Mar 1833
Birth Place: Golspie,Sutherland,Scotland
Father: John Riddle
Mother: Janet Stevat

[Gadget]

That family certainly fits with the George Riddle that I found in Lairg on the 1851 in Lairg. Not sure what the family were doing in Wales though - maybe a shepherding job and then returned. Some of my Scottish ancestors moved from Scotland to Wales in 1830s. 

Maybe connected to the Sutherland clearances.

[pergamond]

Gadget - yes, I have always presumed that George Riddle, assistant shepherd with the Robson family in Lairg 1851 was the man, in the absence of any other.

Trish - I assumed this was George's Riddle family. Jane is interesting - when I see those facts together Janet Stevat must be my Janet Stafford. And there is a birth 18 Dec 1836 to Janet Stavert and John Riddle, also Golspie Parish. So maybe there is a link here to James Riddell born 1829 to John Riddell and Janet Stavert?? (Riddell/Riddle) I can't find James's birth.

And Trish again - yes, this Thomas is George's brother, and they arrived on the Queen.

What I would really like is is info on the parents John Riddle and Janet Stafford/Stavert/Stevat, and had wondered if the Welsh birth would help. But now I tend to agree with Gadget that it was probably a shepherding job that took them there.

[Gadget]

I've just said Stavert and Stevat  aloud (with a soft t) and can hear it as Stafford - try it and see what you think

[pergamond]

Yes, very close in sound. Most probably the same person.

[Gadget]

I've looked on SP but can't see a baptism for Janet in Rox  so far.
Do you know when/whereJohn and Janet died?