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Re: Catherine Philips to Denholm.
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 29 January 17 11:41 GMT (UK) »
This should narrow it down for you.  William d 01 DEC 1884 in Loanhead, widower of Catherine Phillips son of John/Betsy Smith.  He died of stomach cancer and his son William was the informant.

So you are looking from 1871-1884 for Catherine.  If you still can't find her death then find the burials for Loanhead.

Don

This will be William Duncan ?
From Smith to Duncan , oh dear,
Thanks, how are you finding such precise details for the burial in 1884, which sites are you using.
 
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Re: Catherine Philips to Denholm.
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 29 January 17 15:32 GMT (UK) »
 I feel like I`m banging my head on a brick wall here.
This is all new to me  trying to find Scottish records and to be honest  I`m not doing very well.
I don't really know what sites to be searching and I only subscribe to Anc.

I think this is William in 1881.
1881 No 5 Drummond St, Newington, St Cuthberts.  Edinburgh
William Duncan gardener jobbing 56 b  Huntley , Aberdeenshire

I can only see William Duncan died  1884 on Scotlands People, but not the full details.
I can`t find  his death  on Ancestry
Where did you find those  extra details ?

I can`t find a death for Catherine in Loanhead between 1871 and 1884.
I`m looking at Scotlands People.
I can`t find the birth of any Duncan child to father  Duncan and a mother Smith.

  If her mother was a Ramsay then the answer is simple she remarried or she was never married and Catherine was born out of wedlock
DENHOLM JOHN/CHARLOTTE RAMSAY FR3718 (FR3718) 13/05/1814 Leith South


The Denholm children have mothers  maiden name as Hook, but I can find no marriage of a Denholm to a Hook

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Re: Catherine Philips to Denholm.
« Reply #11 on: Monday 30 January 17 21:44 GMT (UK) »

This will be William Duncan ?
From Smith to Duncan , oh dear,
Thanks, how are you finding such precise details for the burial in 1884, which sites are you using.
 

William Duncan's parents, from what Don has found (he looks to kindly possbly have used some units to access image on Scotlands People) were John Duncan and mother Betsy Smith - Smith being her maiden name.

Ancestry do not have any Scottish original BMD records (or census images for that matter). You may be lucky sometimes and find that someone has included original material on their a/try family tree. The only source for this certs remain Scotlands People.

Monica  :)
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Re: Catherine Philips to Denholm.
« Reply #12 on: Monday 30 January 17 22:03 GMT (UK) »
The original image for 1881 would help you narrow down whether William Duncan was a widower by then. Similarly, a marriage cert of one of the children from the 1870s would also show whether mother Catherine was alive or deceased at the time the marriage.

Jane Burns Duncan married a Robert King in 1873?

Arthur Duncan married a Catherine Arthur in 1875?

Monica
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Re: Catherine Philips to Denholm.
« Reply #13 on: Monday 30 January 17 22:25 GMT (UK) »
From what Don found, William's parents showing as John and Betsy (Smith). There is this possible entry in 1851:

John Duncan 69 farm lab b. Drumblade
Bessie Duncan 74 b. Botherman, Banffshire

Address: Nether Boghead, Drumblade, Aberdeenshire

Bessie can be a variant of Elizabeth/Betsy etc www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=bessie 

Possible marriage or banns for this couple https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTNL-H4S

Maybe this couple in 1841:

John Duncan 60 crofter
Bessie Duncan 60 b. Scotland
John Duncan 11

Address: Mosshead, Drumblade

Monica
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Re: Catherine Philips to Denholm.
« Reply #14 on: Monday 30 January 17 22:28 GMT (UK) »
There are two deaths with the same refs (188/ 16):

Bessie Smith
Bessie Duncan

Fab age of 98, she died in Drumblade in 1872.

Monica
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Re: Catherine Philips to Denholm.
« Reply #15 on: Monday 30 January 17 22:39 GMT (UK) »
The original image for 1881 would help you narrow down whether William Duncan was a widower by then. Similarly, a marriage cert of one of the children from the 1870s would also show whether mother Catherine was alive or deceased at the time the marriage.

Jane Burns Duncan married a Robert King in 1873?

Arthur Duncan married a Catherine Arthur in 1875?

Monica

attached are details of Jane Burns Duncans parents from the marriage.
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Re: Catherine Philips to Denholm.
« Reply #16 on: Monday 30 January 17 22:42 GMT (UK) »
Thanks you very much Monica, this is a great help.
Now to sort out the Phillips, Denholm confusion. I have spent hours on this  and still solved nothing .
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Re: Catherine Philips to Denholm.
« Reply #17 on: Monday 30 January 17 22:47 GMT (UK) »
William Duncan's parents, from what Don has found (he looks to kindly possbly have used some units to access image on Scotlands People) were John Duncan and mother Betsy Smith - Smith being her maiden name.
Monica  :)

 Yes, I was wondering about Don`s finds, so thank you very much Don, that was very generous of you.
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