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Re: Origins of Thomas Richmond died Newbury 1862
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 01 February 17 19:12 GMT (UK) »
Am I trying to make 2 + 2 = 5 ?

1. Berks Marriages (via FindMyPast) has a marriage for William Richmond and Sarah Lewis at Shaw on 3 Dec 1800.

2. Thomas Richmond s/o William & Sarah Richmond bapt 21 Oct 1802.

3. Berks Marriages (via FindMyPast) has a marriage for Sarah Richmond and Thomas POKE at Speen on 6 Nov 1803

4. Thomas POPE married Lucy Hine at Ashe on 24 Oct 1824.

For some reason did Thomas Richmond use his step-father's surname when he married? Why, when he used Richmond for the rest of his life?

I've ordered a copy of the 1824 marriage from Hants Record Office, and will get onto Berks RO tomorrow for the other two.

I will need a burial for William Richmond, but there's nothing in Berks Burials (via FindMyPast).

If Thomas was William and Sarah's only (surviving) child that does explain the absence of a Richmond clan.

I would be grateful to know what other people think of my theory.

By the way, I've just spent a fruitless hour trying to find the coverage of the Berks parish records on FindMyPast. Does anyone know if this exists?


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Re: Origins of Thomas Richmond died Newbury 1862
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 02 February 17 13:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi Steve,

The info I gave you came from the parish registers for St Nicolas Church Newbury, a copy of which  are available to view at Newbury llibrary.

I did have a look for a marriage for William & Sarah Richmond but didn't find one, I also checked baptisms up to January 1858 for Richmond children and found these:

26th July 1857 William son of John and Jane Richmond of Newbury father's occ: Lab

30th August 1857 Charles son of John & Jane Richmond of Newbury father's occ: Lab

22nd November 1857 Anna Maria daughter of John & Jane Richmond of Newbury father's occ: Lab


7th January 1858 Joseph William son of Mary Richmond Singlewoman.


With regard to your theory, it looks good to me.


Chris



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Re: Origins of Thomas Richmond died Newbury 1862
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 02 February 17 14:09 GMT (UK) »
Hello Chris,

This is very kind of you to have a look for these. I don't want to seem pedantic but is this a transcript or a film/fiche of the actual St Nicholas registers?

John and Jane (Griffin) were my 2xgreat grandparents. Just like his parents, John and Jane separated; in the late 1860's she ran off with a Joshua Hamblin and lived with him for 30 years before they married.
 
I envy you being able to pop into Newbury Library - what I would give to have access to the Newbury Weekly News! I think the Richmonds would crop up a few times! They certainly made the county papers.

I'm now waiting for the two record offices to send copies of the three marriages, mentioned before. I really want to see a clear parish for William Richmond as I can't for the life of me guess where he came from.

Steve

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Re: Origins of Thomas Richmond died Newbury 1862
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 02 February 17 18:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi Steve,

The parish registers for St Nicolas Church  are on Film/Fiche depending on the date, some details on the liink below.

https://tinyurl.com/j5sx33t

There are some records for other parishes in and around Newbury but most of these are transcribed records and not very detailed.

Chris


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Re: Origins of Thomas Richmond died Newbury 1862
« Reply #13 on: Friday 03 February 17 10:14 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Chris,

What a wonderful resource to have locally - that must save many people a trip to Reading.

I've been having an unsuccessful look for a burial of William Richmond, using my disc of Berks Burial Index, 11th Edition.

I hope the marriage entries will shed some light - otherwise it appears the brickwall has merely shunted back two or three decades.

Steve


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Re: Origins of Thomas Richmond died Newbury 1862
« Reply #14 on: Friday 24 February 17 12:05 GMT (UK) »
Back from a holiday, and the copies of the three marriage registers had arrived in the post. Unfortunately, there is no major breakthrough, nor confirmation of my earlier theory.

Shaw 3 December 1800
William Richmond of this parish, spinster [crossed out!] and Sarah Lewis of Monmouth, spinster
Both made a mark        witnesses signed – Emmanuel Tilbury & Wm Harnan [?]

I'm pretty certain I would have noted a Shaw baptism for William when I looked at a transcript many years ago, but I suppose this needs a recheck. Sarah Lewis was a long way from home, and opens up interesting searching.


Speen 8 November 1803
Thomas Poke of this parish, bachelor and Sarah Richmon [no “d”] of the same
Both made a mark    witnesses signed – Sarah Coxhead & Wm Law [?]

I had hoped the groom was Pope rather than Poke; although the copy is not at all clear, it does appear to be a “k” rather than a “p”. Sadly there is no indication that Sarah was a widow (or even spinster).


Ashe 24 October 1824
Thomas Pope of Overton, batchelor and Lucy Hind spinster of this parish of Ashe.
Both made a mark     witnesses – John hine [?] & mark of Mary Wood

Thomas Pope of Shaw would have been fantastic! Having said that I can't see a baptism for him in Overton.  Nor, for that matter can I find a Thomas and Lucy Pope in censuses.


In 1800-1803 there are 717 burials of a William in the Berkshire Burial Index – not  a sign of William Richmond.

Looking online, I can't see any subsequent mentions for William and Sarah Richmond, nor Thomas and Sarah Poke. Unless RootsChatters have better luck.


Although Chris found Thomas Richmond’s baptism, I feel the needle is getting smaller and the haystack is getting bigger.

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Re: Origins of Thomas Richmond died Newbury 1862
« Reply #15 on: Friday 24 February 17 12:20 GMT (UK) »
Don't forget the the reference to a parish on a marriage entry is simply where they were living at the time - where the banns were called.

It does NOT refer to their parish of origin ;D
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