Birth Record John Carroll

[Blarney St Beggar]

John Carroll - my grandfather (my mothers side)

I'm trying to get a valid birth record - here is what I have to date:

Military prior to 1895 - 1901 & 1911 census have him as military pensioner

Married Annie Murphy Jan 22, 1895 noted as widower/soldier (5 children) Record of death was May 27, 1915

Prior marriage to Emily E. Timson  (no date) 1 Child Emily Elisabeth June 19, 1884 Record indicates he was Corporal 84th Regiment. Residing at Barrackton #117 at that time No other record of other children may have died in child birth? No marriage record

Baptismal record located for John Carroll 1 Aug. 1847 St Peter & Paul, Cork
 
This conflicts with British army record s that state Service # 1470 Regiment York and Lancaster Regiment - 65th & 84th Queens (Laois) which as a birth of 1846.



Any help & guidance appreciated -Thank you.

[dathai]

could this be another child Fanny Edith born 1st April 1886 Ship St Barracks,Dublin,father a Corporal Liverpool Reg
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jds/

civil cert gives mothers name as Fripson/Tripson ?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02604/1961839.pdf

edited to add
Strangely they baptised her again in Sep 1886
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-269-2-1-036

[heywood]

Hello and welcome 

Just a couple of points.

The censuses show him born Queens County (Laois) not Cork.
The numbers of children in 1911 are, or should be, born to the woman.

The marriage certificate wouldn't show numbers of children, would it?

Heywood

[heywood]

What was the name of his father on his marriage certificate and the baptismal record you found?

Here is the marriage to Emily Timson

Lancashire Online Parish Clerks
 
19th February 1881 at St Bartholomew, Salford.
John Carroll, 32 years, a Private in 8th Regt.  Bachelor of Salford Barracks. Father Bernard Carroll deceased a Sergeant in 25 th Regiment
Emily Elizabeth Timson, 21yrs Housekeeper Spinster, 12 Irwell View Father James Timson, deceased a Painter.
 
Witnesses Henry Saunders and Agnes Carroll.

The 1895 marriage to Annie Murphy shows his father as John Carroll deceased, labourer 

[heywood]

 

1881 3971/19/32
12 Irwell View, Salford

John Carroll 33 yrs Soldier (Private) b Cape of Good Hope
Emily E. Carroll   24 yrs b Springfield, Essex
James Wm. Carroll 3 yrs b Bourne, Lincolnshire
Bridget Carroll   mother 63 yrs b Ireland
Agnes Carroll daughter 21 yrs Cotton Weaver b Salford
Anne White lodger 46 yrs
Elizabeth White daughter 19 yrs

Daughter in those cases must mean daughter of the one above not John.

[heywood]

1861 2922/101/27

Shows Barnard (Bernard) and Bridget Carroll with several children including John, b Cape of Good Hope and Agnes.

I wonder if the two John Carrolls are different people?

There is a Chelsea Pensioners record which I can't access but has John Carroll born abt 1848 born Cape of Good Hope regimental number 2201

[dathai]

for reference as posted
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27P-CGJ6

[Sinann]

The John Carroll that married Annie Murphy
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10521/5832154.pdf
Father also John Carroll.

[heywood]

1871 4027/111/26

John Carroll Private 8th Regiment Salford Barracks born Cape of Good Hope

Perhaps someone could compare army records.