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Help finding 1918 death certificate
« on: Thursday 09 February 17 20:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi there,
I think I have found the death of my great grandfather. I found a wills listing, but I can't find a corresponding death record. It might be my unfamiliarity with the area...but I haven't gotten any hits on the GRO index in either Cheshire or Lancashire.
The will listing says George Henry Williams, died 13 July 1918 in Dutton, Cheshire but was a resident of 53 Ann st, Widnes, Lancashire. It was probated in Lancashire on 7 April 1919. Edward Smith, barman, was the beneficiary. George Henry Williams was born abt 1856, so he should of been around 62 when he died.
Thanks so much. Sheila

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Re: Help finding 1918 death certificate
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 09 February 17 20:20 GMT (UK) »
How about this one

Deaths Sep 1918   
Williams    George    51    Runcorn    8a   250

Runcorn covers Dutton. His middle name may not have been given by the informant who registered the death.

 I should have added, ages can be way out on deaths.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Help finding 1918 death certificate
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 09 February 17 20:22 GMT (UK) »
From FreeBMD part of Dutton is within the Northwich Registration District.

George Williams age 61 Sep 1917 Northwich 8a 236

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Re: Help finding 1918 death certificate
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 09 February 17 20:31 GMT (UK) »
From FreeBMD part of Dutton is within the Northwich Registration District.

George Williams age 61 Sep 1917 Northwich 8a 236

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Part of Dutton only seems to come under Northwich from 1936,


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Re: Help finding 1918 death certificate
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 09 February 17 20:57 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, my apologies, I misread it.

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Re: Help finding 1918 death certificate
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 09 February 17 21:22 GMT (UK) »
Jebber, Emeltom & Mazi, Thank you all so much for your replies. I will send for the Runcorn one. Seems odd that he would die in Cheshire, but the probate was filed in Lancashire. Thanks again. Sheila

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Re: Help finding 1918 death certificate
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 09 February 17 21:42 GMT (UK) »
Runcorn Union Workhouse was at Dutton, and it had an infirmary.

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Re: Help finding 1918 death certificate
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 09 February 17 22:30 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Stan,
That makes sense. He had a wife and children living in West Derby, but they weren't listed together in the 1911 census. Sheila

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Re: Help finding 1918 death certificate
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 09 February 17 22:46 GMT (UK) »
... It was probated in Lancashire on 7 April 1919. Edward Smith, barman, was the beneficiary. ...
Couple of things - the Probate Calendar does not say that Edward Smith was the beneficiary. Only the actual will itself will tell you who the beneficiary was. Edward Smith was (though this isn't explicit in the Probate Calendar) the executor appointed by the will - in other words, the guy who had to execute the terms of the will and ensure that the £21 got to where it should. (He might have been a beneficiary as well).

Getting probate in Lancashire for a death in Cheshire is nothing unusual. Where someone lived or died doesn't have any bearing on where probate is obtained. Edward Smith probably went to his local solicitor to organise the probate, and those solicitors almost certainly did all their probate business up the road in Liverpool. My 3G-GF lived and died in Middlewich, Cheshire - probate for his will was obtained in London - no idea why, maybe the local solicitors knew someone in the London Probate Registry and always got good service from them, so always dealt with them.