jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch

[chempat]

A related post, started by someone else:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=424836.0

[BumbleB]

That makes sense.

I can't give the details, but the 1911 census has Walter with address as "Travelling".  He is married and has 2 children, but I can't find any trace of the marriage - and his wife has a distinctive forename.

[achooo]

can you tell me who walters father or grandfather was please

[achooo]

bumbleb when was Thomas a rag gatherer please

[BumbleB]

Not sure how you think we can do that.  You say that Walter died in 1915 and was born 1879.  However, a death registration for Walter Ball in 1915 - Tonbridge Registration District - states that he was 32, giving a birth year of 1883.

There is a birth registration in Kent - Tunbridge Registration District - 1879 - mother's maiden name is given as Dykes.  Or Walter Wallace Ball - Maidstone Registration District - 1879 - mother's maiden name is Ramsley.  1883 has one instance of a Ball birth registration - Walter Henry - Lewisham Registration District - mother's maiden name is Cook.

1901 - the Lewisham registered Walter H Ball is in the Army in South Tedworth.

[BumbleB]

bumbleb when was Thomas a rag gatherer please

When his two sons were baptised in Ashby de la Zouch - 1821-1823.

Added:  by 1831 Thomas is a Labourer - baptism of Catherine on 16 March 1831.

There are no other baptisms for children of Thomas and Ellen between 1823 and 1831, in Ashby.

[chempat]

I think there is going to be a distinct lack of registrations for all the family.

[trish1120]

MARRIAGE;
1 March 1821, St Helen, Ashby de la Zouch
Thomas BALL to Ellin RILE
Witnesses, Daniel McGuire/Mary Rile
Notes; She signs X; witnesses sign X
(Source FreeREG)

1851 in Ashby we have;
Thomas Ball, 49, Head, Mar, Tin Plate Worker, born Nottingham, Nottinghamshire
Ellin Ball, 49, Wife, Mar, born Ashby de la Zouche
Katherine Ball, 21, Daug, born Ashby
Thomas Ball, 14, Son, born Ashby
Abraham Ball, 11, Son, born Ashby
+ several Lodgers

ELEANOR Riley Baptised 4 July 1802 St Helen to GEORGE/ELIZABETH
Looks correct as Siblings MARY is Baptised as RILE/RYLE with same Parents ;
ELIZABETH Ryle 29 Dec 1793
MARY Rile 25 Dec 1795

George RILE Married Elizabeth WINTERS, 28 Sept 1790 St Helen

ELIZABETH Rile 1793 may have married George RADLEY 7 June 1816
A William/Ann Winters were witnesses

Abraham Balls GRO Index Birth Reg 1841 has his Mothers mn as RILE


Likely for Thomas seeing he names his 1st Son Jacob

Thomas BALL Baptised 28 Feb 1802, St Mary, Nottingham. Nottinghamshire
Parents JACOB/ELIZABETH
Siblings;
ANN 2 April 1805
ANN 15 March 1807
DANIEL 8 Dec 1809
DANIEL 15 June 1812
MARY 20 March 1815
ELIZABETH 25 Sept 1818
JOHN 26 Dec 1821
CATHERINE 9 Feb 1824
Last few have Father as a Blacksmith or Farrier

Although FreeREG doesnt have the Burials I would say Ann 1805 Daniel 1809 died and another Child was named after them.
 
Jacob BALL married Elizabeth WOODWARD 15 Dec 1800 St Peter

All above on FreeREG

Trish

[trish1120]

Oooh Jacob Ball may have been Transported to Tasmania 1831.
Lots on Anc for his criminal activities.

1841 in St Mary, Nottingham we have;
Elizabeth Ball, 60
Elizabeth Ball, 20
Catherine Ball, 15

1851 Census a Elizabeth Ball born c 1783 Farnsfield, Widow, is lodging in Nottingham St Mary